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Like a seed of the mustard tree : Comments

By Bill Muehlenberg, published 3/1/2012

Christianity has a 2000 year pedigree that cannot be easily dismissed by its critics.

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runner,

Perhaps you would be interested in knowing what you oppose.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_humanism:

“According to the Council for Secular Humanism, within the United States, the term "Secular Humanism" describes a world view with the following elements and principles:

• Need to test beliefs – A conviction that dogmas, ideologies and traditions, whether religious, political or social, must be weighed and tested by each individual and not simply accepted by faith.

• Reason, evidence, scientific method – A commitment to the use of critical reason, factual evidence and scientific methods of inquiry in seeking solutions to human problems and answers to important human questions.

• Fulfillment, growth, creativity – A primary concern with fulfillment, growth and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general.

• Search for truth – A constant search for objective truth, with the understanding that new knowledge and experience constantly alter our imperfect perception of it.

• This life – A concern for this life (as opposed to an afterlife) and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us.

• Ethics – A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility.

• Building a better world – A conviction that with reason, an open exchange of ideas, good will, and tolerance, progress can be made in building a better world for ourselves and our children.

A Secular Humanist Declaration was issued in 1980 by the Council for Secular Humanism's predecessor, CODESH. It lays out ten ideals: Free inquiry as opposed to censorship and imposition of belief; separation of church and state; the ideal of freedom from religious control and from jingoistic government control; ethics based on critical intelligence rather than that deduced from religious belief; moral education; religious skepticism; reason; a belief in science and technology as the best way of understanding the world; evolution; and education as the essential method of building humane, free, and democratic societies.”

Sounds good to me.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 2:17:43 PM
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david f

evolutionist dismally fail the first 2 tennents of dogma you mention.

The rejection of the source of truth opens you to moral relativism and every evil that flows from that dogma. This makes your 'search for truth' tennant meaningless.

One does not have to look to closely at the tennants you list to see indeed they are based upon faith and unable to be achieved by fallen mankind despite their noble appearance. They are a poor subsitute for the claims and teachings of Jesus Christ. I dare say the outright heathens are closer to truth than those who have set up a counterfeit system.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 2:54:17 PM
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I wonder if Jesus would have approved and thought about these examples of applied Christian politics.

The deliberate extermination of the Cathar "heretics" during the Albigensian Crusade.

The Hammer of Witches - Malleus Maleficarum which provided the justification for the deliberate slaughter of countless thousands of "witches" during the European witch-burning frenzy.

Which side would Jesus have been on in the post-reformation catholic versus protestant wars in which hundreds of thousands of human beings were slaughtered, and that ruined much of Europe? Remembering that all of the slaughters were justified by the various ecclesiastical authorities.

Would Jesus have approved of the papal bulls (1455 and 1493)that authorized the brutal colonial invasion and systematic plunder of the Americas.

What would Jesus have said above the expulsion of 200,000 Jews from Spain in 1492 - and the simultaneous theft of their property. And of the periodic anti-Jewish pogroms instigated by the church authorities that were a feature of European history for many centuries. Which inevitably culminated in the nazi holocaust.

How many atomic bombs would Jesus have recommended to be used against the Japanese people?
Would Jesus recommend that any country possess or use atomic weapons in 2012?

Would Jesus have approved of the shock and awe illegal invasion of Iraq, and the simultaneous systematic erasion of Iraq too.
http://erasingiraq.com Remembering that Bill was a very enthusiastic supporter of this illegal invasion.
Posted by Daffy Duck, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 3:53:33 PM
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Christianity like Greece has contributed much to what we are today. However, like Greece, Christianity is in decline and whilst a monument to our past, probably has no part in our future.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 3:57:10 PM
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Greece had a rich history before Christianity ....
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Posted by McReal, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 4:03:27 PM
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Daffy Duck

I suspect Jesus would be no more impressed with these things you list than the millions of murdered unborn babies yearly or the millions killed by Stalin and Mao in the name of no religion. Does though prove Jesus teachings right about the heart of man. Unlike Secular Humanism dogma which after all their atrocities take on a self righteousness.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 3 January 2012 4:28:10 PM
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