Hi John,

well done. The will to live is a force very few people encounter in such confronting conditions.

I found it not only the most powerful thing I've experienced but have come to understand luck has very little to do with it.

I've experienced similar life shaking experience, our difference is I've not had the physical trama but since my op for cancer I've experienced a terrible after effect. Chronic pain.

I've finally got on top of that and have this week lived on for 4 and half years and hope to join the other 7 out of 100 who have lived on for 5 years after the cancer, chemo, radiation and surgery we all underwent.

In the next 4 years you'll see more amazing things than the astonishing things you've encountered so far.

Keep positive and enjoy life. In a way we've been greatly blessed, with our suffering, as life changes dramatically and I saw myself become much more receptive to emotions and lifestyles I'd never considered or valued before.

Few come to know those joys.

Yes.....how lucky are we. I think John, the secrets lays in ones DNA.
There is another thread about suicide and mental health that seem to fit your thread.....I my self think strongly about our DNA and what it holds......My family seem to live without anything serious going wrong medically, mentally or other wise. Yes sure we get the common cold now and again, nothing that you described.

I think some people are just lucky and some go through life with all sorts of problems. To go through life with rolling with the punches is the way to go, but than again we Scottish are a hard to kill type of people. My grandmother lived to 97 and just about everyone else is in the same bracket.....just lucky?...i don't think so, it all comes down to your DNA.

Take me for instants, my sores heal with-in three days and no infection, the common cold, I just get the sniffles, while others are sick for days in bed. Believe it or not, my whole family is like it.

However where my ancestors come from, if you didn't fight the cold and snow, well.....nature just takes its course. So with that fact, the weak died off, and I guess....here I am with very strong genes/DNA.

See all the inflictions that others suffer, my family just goes about our business, and thats that.

I guess Iam looking at 70 or 80.....if not and the big C..comes to me, death is just the beginning, and think about it, all the worlds worries are over, and peace it will be.

However, being this positive has its fall backs, why? you might ask is that........well I have to go to sleep and wait for the sun to come up:)

Thats about the only thing that frustrates me;)

All the best John, and thanks for the read.

Live well, and be good to your mother:)

CACTUS:)

i will admit to what cactus said
except my genes ensure we die of broken hearts

we as spirits chose this life
because the genes..matched our life sentance
[how long..the living spirit..chose to live in this realm[this body]

i havnt read your words yet
so make only general comments
3 in four dont get cancer

we have 'heard of' cancer cures..since the 30's
saying in ten years a cure...[well the cure was more complicated]

seems cancers have 7 known paths
and were great at detecting...and treating..advance symptoms
that may never actually ever have become fatal..but that get into the statistic regardless

so naturally survival..rates have gone up
cause more cancers were detedcted early
not that it was cancer..but heck the numbers do look great

but the treatment...is often worse than the disease
the cure can kill you..so what if it wasnt really cancer
is that called a win?...or a con

i prefer to die
when im timed by my genes to die

not before via unhelpfull 'treatment..
or dangerouse medications...[one in 100 hospitalisations is adverse reaction to perscribed drugs[one in ten results in death]..

so if the cure for cancer kills you...
a docter says you died cause of the cancer..[not his treatment...lol]

thats how we got the smoking statistics
how many were killed by quacks fraud?

i will die in my own time
not by some quack's drug bonus

are these pre emptive mutilations
[and the extra cosmetic repair...]..really needed
or just look so good in the stats...we will never know

cause your so gratefull
and many in the 6 years it takes many to die
gift their wealth to the cure...[so many big new buildings]

the plan is working
we live
we die

everyone will die
everyone dies of something
i chose my death as much as i chose my life style
that bought it MAYBE more quickly or MAYBE...more slow

but in the end
we all die...eventually
and govt should fully autopsy every death
elimiate them killing..not healing..or over servicing

every perscription must be validated
every cure underwritten...every symptom confirmed

ok what i got so far
you had stress induced cancer
likely drank a bit..and had stress drug's

your father got murded..by ignorance
the chemicals..in his system killed him

he would well know of the many..killed after 911
by the same abuse's..he sufferd/enjured...
in simply trying to help others

many first reponders
and other service workers
got set up to die...cleaning up 911

[thats why the insurance cost..for the two billion asbestos cleanup
contracted into..as a condition of his 100 year lease...was going to cost more...!...than the two billion to replace the asbestos

so he took out multiple insurances..against the building
via his homeland/as main insuraer...that was further underwritten by global insurers...[setting up the system for the fall of 2002]

anyhow..govt did the clean up

im..onto page two
and you went through hell
and i regret that happend

but you survived!

now get to the real cause..of the cancer
there are many non surgical cures....as simple as changing your body ph...and electolising..the cancer away..in a few minutes

there was a guy in wa
he was curing incurable cancers
did you try any of them?...why not?

see there is jobs..in treating people with radiation
etc...

its all about gdp...
and not about how/why..why not?

we only study..the sick...quater
not the not sick 3/4..'s

but heck..there is plenty to gain
by finding them...who would never have got it
and fixing them..

again
im angry at the system
that makes health..relate to wealth

i wish you well..you overcame
a most horrible event

so now whats the aim
of..the rest of your life?

anyhow will continue on page 2

please find anger..in my words..
but not intention..for any further hurt..TO ANYONE

i post..hoping we change for the better
hoping that the same same..things..wont get much worse
for want of being spoken

"I also believe that I have no right to complain: That the world is full of people, the majority of who are far worse off than me and the majority of Australians."

This !

Anyone that travels through parts of the developing world, can get tried of the entitlement mentality and whingeing from seemingly more and more Australians. We help out in SE Asia (Laos was the most bombed county on the Planet, for example) and are off again in February for 6 months to Cambodia. We hope to move there if things go well, I am not tired of Australia, I am of her people.

That aside, bravo to you for winning your cancer battle, my father died, aged 63, 3 years ago, his cancer had spread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvsQ9hYKq7c

I am just a musician....and some:P)

If we are to go forward....well..:).....maybe we need to re-evaluate us as we sit with-in your teachers fine IQ,...

I cant think of a better idea.......

Work hard, and Finnish what you started.

CACTUS

I would like to thank all member's for the fight for life, that remembers C.J Morgan and his wisdom.

I didn't know the man personally, but my thoughts and his guidance gave me a chance, where others did not. My self and family have gained more than the spoken words could ever of said, and C.J was a man worth his SALT....

I will in private, Light one candle in his name.

I hope you will too.

A minute silence

His mark will be for not what we have lost in time, but a sad loss to us all that new him, and his higher glow will be forever a standing moment. May he be in the arm,s with what he loved, and a committed member too this community GY....and all from.

They say life is but a fleeting moment in time......but what we do with that time.....makes all the difference.

CJ.....you will be sadly missed.

EVO

yes cactus...we are luckey to know each other
but i well recall cj's last post

he let anger get to him in the end
he took others opinions too serious?

but the topic is about how luckey we are
and considering how many make so much money out of us getting sick and dying...i agree we are luckey...

the auther went through hell
cause of cancer

yesterdays news was implants will give us cancer
[that simply go on to the smoking stats,...so thats not a worry

but todays news buzz is
the implants WONT cause cancer...yep
lawyers got to the mess-age..

anyhow...wether other causes cause cancer
only one in four cant even get it

them implants...find them one in four
statistics that stay constant...between smokers and nonsmokers alike
[provibng smoking is a factor]

yes it stink's...[really bad]
but the world stinks..[what with busses diesal micro particulate/smoke[the highest cause of cancer]...and with wood smoke..the secobd highest cause of cancer

but what about them people
that reek of cheap per-fume
loaded with carcinogenic mutagenes

or even the aliminiumk[light metal]
we use to stop sweating...that causes cancer of breast lympth's

or tight joketts
causing testicular cancer

or microwave irradiation
from ya mobile phone

yes were luckey
3 in 4 of us die from something else

but heck lets just say its smoking

hey luckey
did you smoke
drink...spray paint
clean up builders dust
or a first responder

ever took a bus..work in mainstreet
have a cosey wood cabin and a nice wood fire

do you sweat much?

well if ya dont
yer luckey too

Yes OUG....Some are true leaders, and some just hang in the shadows...Your not still smoking are you:).....However, back to your point, I felt your post on a sad point that you made, and now thinking back on what I've written, I don't feel so proud with some re-marks thats been said to the people...a spade is a spade...and Iam only one person:)....can one person change a world:).....OUG...you know whats been said, and one person can!..:)....OUG...sometimes the world is, what is is.....OUG....your a man of much great wisdom and thats a gift in its self.

I do feel I've changed the course of history, and for the better I see from the words of facts that can bring.

I do see a better word for the all.......

OUG....if man-kind didn't push the boundaries of life and thought, mate...we just wouldn't be here.

OUG your a good man, and I wish you and all that love you, a very merry Christmas.

I see whats in your heart OUG, and the would needs some type of reality....7 billion....love only goes so far.....however I wont show whats going around the world, it just makes people feel sad.

I guess what I see and understand, it should make anyone sad.

I really love this planet OUG, I really do.....

You think your sad, I try and make people see how lucky they reallllly are, and the planet to most, means nothing.

OUG...Iam what most cant be, and thats real.

If we have to con everything and every one, thats not a world of love, thats a world of Lie's.

All the best OUG, and your broken heart will fix its self....Trust me:)

Spread joy where ever you can, and I will keep the bastards honest:)

CACTUS

OUG...Your being a little cynical dont you think. Question!....If human beings are that bad, what should we do about it and why?

OUG....to be a good leader, one must......?

CACTUS

cactus...we are luckey...is about cancer
and how we are luckey when we survive it[i guess]

im an old smokers...when i die it will be just after a smoke
i see we are luckey..to get a chance at life[but dont extend that 'luck'..to holding onto it...at any cost]

i guess im trying to say..we all die
and if our idea re living..is that its luckey we live..[well thats missing the main reason of living...[the experiences we had..during our life]...this includes cancers karma..

i have gone through life sukking at the teats of wisdom
as well as the teat of ignorance...and emotions...[im not saying much..because life is so subjective and by trying to objectivly define it..i of nessisisty put limits on it..

lifes oppertuinities are boundless...and luck defines the least predictable aspect of lifes many gifts..but gift is relitive...[life has taught me i re-act..rather than simply accept it as it comes]

thankyou for your kind words...but right back at ya
what we get from others...is a reflection of what we gave them first

im only too happy to jump in
where even fools dare not go...[i guess im counting on my luck]
but luck i allow...by the choices of what i jumped into..having been by my own choices

again im reluctant to derail the thread...by talking of my own generalities...when this topic has its own specific cource...im content to watch it unwind...for we are surrounded..by wisdom..[often only clearly wise..if allowed its seeing..in hindsight]

anyhow happy seasons tidings ol mate
and thank you for your best wishes

extended to all
right back at ya..[all]..

cactus quote..""Question!....
If human beings are that bad,
what should we do about it and why?""

acceopt no one is perfect
that you cant 'make perfect people'

know we live in a material prison...
holding imprisond safely...a spirit..not good enough to deserve heaven
not bad enough to deserve hell

so we 'get enough rope'...allowed freely
to mingle good with vile [here for now]
to allow us a free choice

knowing no one will judge..whatever your choice
[more [of the same as you chose to 'live'
in this life...shall be a given

""....to be a good leader,
one must......?""

serve those they lead from the front
serve...its what true leaders do

serve you...to make your life better
not subvert your morality..into slavery
not to judge
not to lord it over
not to serrve dead adgendas

but to serve the living

sustained their life..by god[good]..the life giver
a leaders should do that they see god do for every living thing

not be judge/jury..or master..
over us and our inheritance
taking the gooods for them selves...
and forcing us to sweeep up the crumbs...

only to force the workers
to give them..to the pigs

while one human [heck one life]..suffers
it demeans those..who claim to lead us..by some 'god given' warrent

by their works..shall we know them
by their own words..do they condem themselves
do as you promised..[charity is worth more than words]

if its not about holding all life precious[gods service]
the leaders are serving the god of death..[dead incorperations]