Maximus

Thanks for your post. I wish I had written it - but then I could'nt have since I am female.

Cheers
Kay

Well, I was in a bit of a dilemna recently...
on campus there are many very attractive young ladies who like to wear small singlets.
I was getting quite embarassed when they leaned forwards and one could see the puppy with the pink nose.
I felt like a bit of a halfwit, blushing and looking away off towards nothing in particular.
So I asked a few of my mates what they thought, to perve or not to perve?
Eventually, it seemed to make sense that they are healthy people who arent bothered either way so if thats the case, a little perve here and there is fine.
As long as everythings respectful and out in the open, whats the fuss?
I doubt its solely aimed at any one person, and I assure you it wouldnt be that they feel obliged.
I bet uni is totally crap in tehran and places like that.

I didn't get anything out reading of this article, sorry. Aren't there more important issues in the world? This seems even more of a waste of time than moaning about Blokesworld.

Cheers SM

Has it ever occurred to Jane that men are just as trapped in their male stero types as are women in theirs.

Men have the highest suicide rates,highest burn out rates and shortest life spans and suffer the isolation of little emotional support from peirs.Just ask John Brogden.The world of male competition takes it's toll and it is only recently that many have considered getting their health checked.

We are all human and have our differences.There is nothing wrong with looking gorgeous,since beauty viewed in perspective,enriches all our lives.

I partly agree with Jane and I agree with Maximus and Arjay. They all have realistic outlooks on this subject. The Hijab along with all religious clothing, is an expression of their inability to live within the reality of the society they have chosen. Sure in muslim dictatorships, they are forced to wear these unhealthy coverings, but that doesn't make it right here, just stupid.

Sadly Jane, western and muslim women, can't take the responsibility for their own lives, they have to force that onto men and blame us for everything. Not much credibility in that assumption, just a lot of sad whinging women.

There is nothing wrong with beauty being shown or observed, it is mostly religion that's against it. I wonder what they are all so scared of, there own bodies, or being real.

Religous clothing creates cultural ghettos, from these spring disharmony and dissent. Follwed by attempts to disrupt the majority society and we can all see where that leads to, by the present growing examples, here and overseas.

Some good points Arjay, there’s pressure on everyone to live up to certain standards these days, albeit in different ways for each sex.

You’re right, there’s nothing wrong with looking good – but a lot of women do it because they feel they have to, not because they want to, and that’s the issue here. Still, it’s hardly a uniquely human condition. We preen ourselves and do various things to attract the opposite sex just like many animals do. The problem comes when a women is judged only on her appearance, instead of her appearance just being one of many attractive features. Not many people would dispute this happens a hell of a lot.

A liberation from this judgement can come in the form of a head scarf or whatever else, and I think the fact it has religious origins is neither here or there. As long as it’s by a persons own choice, they should be able to wear whatever they want. Drape yourself in curtains for all care. Wear a superman costume, I won’t judge you. Those barrels with straps are pretty cool, I might get one of those.

Why can’t a man wear a dress to the office? No, seriously. Why are there different dress standards in a work environment for men and women? A woman can wear just nice pants or skirt and a jumper or whatever, but a guy has no other choice but the shirt and tie combo.

Ok, let’s water it down a bit, forget the dress thing. Why does a male have to wear a tie when a woman doesn’t?

Most guys, of course, want to wear a shirt and tie, but isn’t that a created want? Because there’s pressure on men to look and act a certain way? I mean as long as you’re presentable, what’s the difference?

Just thinking out loud, as usual.