http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12872#222209

Arjay, the situation is not neccessarily that bad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JihQw39hyG0

We have more rights than we have been led to believe. Sheeple get the politicians they deserve. Our small but strengthening nation was headed in the best direction after 1945. The rot set in around the mid 1960's. The damage can be undone, if we stop supporting the lame stream media & major mistake political parties.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12872#222214

Hasbeen, spot on mate, what rubbish, of course we have free will, the only exceptions i can see are when somebody has been fed MISinformation & acts incorrectly. The other, mental illness, including addiction.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12872#222263

Cactus..2, i agree about the DEvolution bit.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8630135369495797236# failure training at its very best, has been going on for about half a century in the land of OZ.

Well I'm sorry, but I think both this article and the comments that follow completely missed the point of Mr Holden's argument.
I won't presume to speak for Brian Holden, nor do I think he needs me to. But I really thought he came very close to my core philosophy:
http://thecomensality.com
None of us get to choose our names.
We don't get to choose our parents.
We don't get to choose the schools we go to, or the pool from which to choose our friends, or the teachers we have, or any of the things which will eventually make us what we are.
All these things will determine how we make decisions.
In our society, we accept largely without question, the paradigm that smart people will always make better decisions than less smart people.
But is it necessarily true?
I would suggest anyone with an ounce of honesty who has or is in a close relationshop (say marriage) should know what I mean. Your spouse may be smarter than you, or they may be dumber than you. Either way, does it necessarily follow that they are always invariably right, or invariably wrong?
Good decisions require more than just intelligence. They require relevant experience, and perhaps most important of all, objectivity.
If your childhood experiences predisposes you to think in a particular way, your intelligence won't necessarily overcome that.
The bottom line remains: we don't choose our level of intelligence, and we don't choose our childhood experiences.
We have absolutely no control over the very things that predispose us to make the decisions we make.
When I look back on my life, yes I have regrets. Yes, I wish I was a better man.
But the fact is, I did what I did because I am who I am.
To have taken a different path would have required me to be a different person.
All I can do, and all I can recommend to my children, is be the best you can be. Always strive for excellence, but don't bother comparing yourself to someone else.
They have their own problems.

With the up/and/comings.....there will be only one sound.....

BANG!

Rememmber the ten rats in a box?.

Ok....lets say everythink goes the way of Mr holden?

Then what?

CACTUS

Sorry!.....that last post was just me thinking out loud.

Please continue......CACTUS.

Would you risk your job on a moral point - what if you had a mortgage or rent to pay? Restore @landrights4all to restore moral choice.