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Crucifixes, public schools, and plurality in Europe : Comments

By Pablo Jiménez Lobeira, published 18/10/2011

European Court of Human Rights finds that atheism has no more rights than religion.

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Stezza

'When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?

Facts don't change Stezza. That is the point. Many of the evolution 'facts'have turned out to be frauds. People who teach frauds should be the last to criticize people's faith especially when they have been caught out so many times.
Posted by runner, Tuesday, 18 October 2011 1:42:37 PM
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…Oh for that double form demonym, “Latino”. Gotta love em!
Posted by diver dan, Tuesday, 18 October 2011 3:00:30 PM
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I also appreciated this article very much, thank you.

Godo, if you really support independent thought, then surely you must allow people to make up their own minds about religion. Your attempt to use redefine “true education” to exclude religion is simply backdoor censorship
Posted by Rhian, Tuesday, 18 October 2011 3:10:35 PM
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The article demonstrates, beyond all reasonable doubt, that the European Court of Human Rights should be abolished forthwith.

Have they never heard the expression, de minimis non curat lex? What business did they have - or even should they have - spending so much time and effort on a decision so pointless, so meaningless that it totally defies description?

And then - mirabile dictu - changing their stupid minds...?

Pathetic.

And a brilliant example too, of why a Bill of Rights is a complete and utter waste of space, with value only to an entire generation of lawyers, making parasitic megabucks from disputation on the number of angels permitted to dance on the head of a pin.

But apart from all that...

Stezza, runner is right. Facts don't change. Theories do, impressions do, ideas do. Information does. But facts are by definition... factual.

I think you will find that your "what do you do, sir" quotation, attributed to Keynes, is most likely to be apocryphal.

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/07/22/keynes-change-mind/

I particularly liked Paul Samuelson's observation, dating back to 1961, where he describes the generally accepted view that JMK wasn't ever particularly wedded to a single viewpoint...

"One of the jokes is that if Parliament asked six economists for an opinion on any subject they always got seven answers. Two from John Maynard Keynes"

Not much has changed over the past fifty years in the world of economics, has it...
Posted by Pericles, Tuesday, 18 October 2011 3:14:52 PM
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A common sense decision.

"Secularism" was only ever intended to allow people freedom OF religion by making the public square a neutral space. As the article rightly points out, some fanatical secularists are now attempting to reinterpret the idea into meaning freedom FROM religion which is a totally different thing and is not neutral at all.
Posted by Trav, Tuesday, 18 October 2011 4:27:43 PM
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Now I get it. The crucifix is a "summary of Italian and Western values such as non-violence". All this time I thought it was a method of execution used by the ancient Romans to inflict a slow and agonising death on countless numbers of people who got in their way. But I was wrong. The crucifix is really a passive symbol of non-violence and forgiveness to one's enemies.
Posted by Vance, Tuesday, 18 October 2011 4:30:58 PM
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