Hasbeen

I am confident that divorce rates amongst both gays and lesbians will be significantly higher than 48%. Arguments over the venue and colour scheme for the ceremony will be enough to break-up most gay couples.

We live in a society where conscience does not mean a thing. In a society where values of loyalty and purity do not enter into relationships. Promiscurity, adultery and sex with whoever opens their legs abounds. So marriage purity, ceremony and vows is cheap and means nothing in today's society. That is why they accept any sexual configuration as normal. That is why children will continue to suffer. The only value is whatever feels good for me is right. People makes judgments on sensual pleasures rather than on intelligent stable social realities.

Opinionated2,
If a marriage between a man and a woman does not discriminate against gays, then why are gays using the sexual discrimination card?

Marriage is not merely LOVE & RESPECT as I love and respect hundreds of my family and friends. If Gay relationships are so tenative they only have so few people to love and respect then marriage is not going to fix their insecurity.

In my experience I see gays at parties and gatherings isolating themselves from the general party and obviously they see themselves as different. They discriminate and isolate themselves into a community from the normal society.

Philo,

"We live in a society where conscience does not mean a thing. In a society where values of loyalty and purity do not enter into relationships..."

Humans have operated in an "impure" manner in all ages - even within societies that promote an overtly "chaste morality".

I was fascinated upon engaging in some genealogical research to discover in the 18/19th century that a few of my more notable ancestors were brought to book by the local "Kirk" for "immoral" indiscretions.
They're recorded in the Kirk records. My great great great grandfather, who was a Solicitor before the Supreme Court of Scotland, apparently got someone up the duff in his youth (he was upbraided then exonerated by the Kirk - don't know what became of the woman and child). His uncle, who was a notable local solicitor and and notary in his community also found himself in a similar position in his youth.
This man (and many in the family) represented the highest echelons in local community morality. His son's were generals and colonels in the Indian Army - one was a doctor to Napoleon on St Helena - a grandson was a Vice-Admiral. but there are loads of skeletons in the moral closet...plenty of loyalty but not a great deal of "purity".

Philo,

A marriage between a man and a woman does not discriminate against gays, but only allowing men and women to marry does.

I very much doubt you love and respect 'hundreds' of your family and friends - this figure exceeds Dunbar's number. And I'm sure that gay people, just like straight people, have lots of family and friends that they love and respect - but that they also have one special person whom they particularly love and respect, and just like straight people some of them want to marry that special person.

I honestly can't imagine that you'd ever attend a party attended by gay people, Philo. Anyway, are you sure that the gays you see at parties aren't just shy? I isolate myself from the general party at gatherings because I'm very shy, not because I'm heterosexual. Maybe those gays are also very shy, and it has nothing do with their sexual orientation either. And lots of groups 'discriminate and isolate themselves into a community from the normal society': ethnic groups, hippies, neo-nazis, goths, teenagers, religious groups etc. Take Orthodox Jews, for example - I would argue that they're much more insular and self-isolating than gays. But that doesn't make Orthodox Jews bad people, does it?

The Acolyte Rizla,
What do you imagine marriage is?
I am a member of a large Church community where we are encouraged to love and respect each other. I am a member of a large family of several hundred and we are close knit. I have no desire to establish a public declared sexual contract with any of them. Love and respect does not constitute a marriage, a sexual contract as a husband with a legitimate wife does.