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By Geoff Robinson, published 6/9/2011Is Labor's dominance of federal politics coming to an end?
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Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 2:59:03 PM
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I think the Greens being the new progressive party makes a difference too. Hawke and Keating could always move to the right because they left had nowhere else to go - but now they do, and are!
Posted by Evan Hadkins, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 3:31:30 PM
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There is no denying that Labor's current woes began when it decided to ditch Kevin Rudd, in such a novel and cruel way, for Julia Gillard. It is not that Julia Gillard is a inferior leader or politician; it's the fact that Rudd was one of the most popular Australian leaders in history, and therefore it was extremely unwise to extinguish his candle and potential so quickly - a great leadership asset to Labor wasted just like that! Someone who enjoyed the longest political honeymoon of any leader in the country's history had a lot more political life than the polls of mid-2010 suggested. The end of his honeymoon in the polls was merely used as a cheap explanation for the party power-brokers to get rid of a leader who did not succumb to their control but openly challenged their power within the party. Sooner or later the ALP will have to face this fact and a showdown between the party leadership and the power-brokers will be inevitable!
Posted by Dorian, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 4:29:13 PM
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The Solicitor-General advised the Govt of likely High Court success over the Malaysian deal. It lost. If the Naurau solution was chosen, it too would have been challenged and sunk in the HC. So the Coalition would have lost and you'd all be egging it, presumably.
The Carbon Tax, whether it affects climate or not is a sensible inclusion into the tax base, given energy is at the base of the economy. Income tax will be lowered greatly, those on pensions will be compensated, export industries will be aided to maintain competitiveness in world markets. Sorry that a few like Mr Palmer may end up with fewer tax minimization options. School buildings and batts, yes some money leaked away in the rushed attempt to stimulate, but a drop in the ocean as a percentage of the package. The decision was right, despite Mr Truss getting half an hour of national air time to tell us why we are a basket-case alongside Greece et al while attacking the CT. Medicare and mental health have been addressed along with a range of legislative achievements overlooked. A mining tax might be a good way to get better value from what we collectively own while sharing market risk with miners. Don't believe that mining will die but look at the frenetic take-over and acquisition activity in the sector. The tax that will supercede royalties to the benefit of ALL Australians, not just those that live with assets below their feet. Where have Labor values have been lost in pursuit of things that redistribute income to maintain a sense of social cohesion not shared by Britain? Julia Gillard should go for broke and dump "moving forward" type speeches and communicate to the country as effectively as she shows at town-hall gatherings to explain Gov't policies. You don't see her on the 7.30 Report like you saw Keating, Howard or Rudd. I admire her courage and carriage in the face of bile and disrespect but she can avoid some of this through articulating policy at the right level and more often. Posted by Luciferase, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 5:28:16 PM
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http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12566#217285
Evan Hadkins, Labour's fortunes fell when people realised, no matter how reasonable, intelligent or sensible Krudd was, behind him was the rest of the RED/green, getup, GAYLP/alp, Socialist Alliance, caucus. A clapped out Trabant with a new paint job & a shiny "leader" mounted on the bonnet, is still a clapped out Trabant. 2 years in the Krudd government being a "labour" government appeared for all the world to be identical, as other incompetent labour governments. "if it looks like a duck...". Hence, the honeymoon turnaround. Kevin sensibly realised that the GP, general public do not like communism, never have, never will, dumping all those closet communist policies might have worked, IF he had not been knifed, had hung on till the last possible minute, he might have been able to regain popularity, but only if the rest of the idiots around his neck could have had a labotomy, RE education & stopped being communists. The money they wasted did NOT save us from the GFC, China kept buying Coal & iron ore. When the mining bust comes & it will, the depression our economy sinks into will be worse because of the wasted money. Even if China & India dont slow down some more, there are over 200 hundred austalian mining companies in Africa along with China, India & everybody else, without taking into account the enormous coal deposits in Mongolia, South America, everywhere else. With commodity prices this high there is a mining/exploration boom covering every square inch of the planet. As soon as all the new mines come on line, even if the economies of China & India keep going there will eventually be a commodities glut causing the next mining bust. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12566#217288 imajulianutter, agreed, have a look at the links on my other comments on this & the other article, you might like them. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12566#217291 EH, nobody in the GP wants progressive/communist politics, it is a luciferian lie, progessive, REALLY = REgressive. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12566#217297 Dorian, now you are getting somewhere, but it is idealogy, Krudd is almost the only NON communist left in the GAYLP. Posted by Formersnag, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 6:27:00 PM
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Dont forget the old saying that
"a week is a long time in politics" and there about 100 weeks left till the next election. Anything can happen between now and then. Posted by mikk, Tuesday, 6 September 2011 11:42:55 PM
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1. They are comical.
Paul Howes, just another suave labor speiler, the leader of the coup who ousted PM K.Rudd, harangued Clive Palmer for showing the PM Gillard disrespect on Q and A last night.
2. The are effective.
They put a whole industry on the dole.
3. They are policy innovative, producing policy no one believes or wants.
Carbon Tax, settled climate science, border protection, etc etc etc
1. They are consistant.
They pledge undying loyalty to whoremongers and at the same time promote their belief in the equal treatment of women.
This whole mob and particularly Julia have ensured the end of the labor party. And the author should add a footnote on why labor is suffering the same fate at the state level.
They are all just full of spin and it began with that fantastic commentator, Richardson with his promotion of 'whatever it takes' attitude and with his creating the labor alliance with the 'commo' greens.
Today's disintergration of labor is where those particular disgracefulness has led. They are the root cause of all labor's woes.
Bet he'd disagree though and he'd have Hawker rush out with a spin to protect him.
Graham Richardson is the greatest blight ever on the Labor Party