The White Feather Brigade was an organisation set up by an Admiral and white feathers were given out by men as well as women. It was an atrocious act but considered 'right' for the times; similarly burning women at the stake as 'witches' just for non-conformist behaviour particularly in highly patriarchial societies and throughout particular periods in history.

vanna
If the Marriage as Oppressive line was so believed, why do most women and men still marry? Only a minority of rad fems make the claim that marriage is an oppressive institution and in the past many marriages were oppressive for women (and for men) as it was difficult to dissolve a marriage without negative reactions from society, from family or from the Church whose influence was much greater. Women who were abused were told 'you made your bed' and when women's refuges were established so women and children could escape domestic violence, those involved were denigrated and dismissed as a threat to marriage. It beggars belief. Do you really think a women should have to ensure risks to physical safety just to save a marriage?

Men and women are equally as capable of bad behaviour and equally as capable of reason and compassion. Why do we continue to accept these anti-women (or anti single-mother) articles as being representative of the truth when all Marsh is doing is spinning his own personal religious agenda. I am beginning to wonder just how many men really think women are inferior and not as deserving of legal protections or opportunties that men have enjoyed for a long time. Men have also benefited from the feminist movement - in many ways it has been a win-win albeit sometimes a slow progression. Sometimes revolutions start to right a wrong and end up benefiting the majority in the end.

I have asked a number of times what some of you believe as regards how societies should be structured. What would your society look like as regards men and women's roles. So far I have not had a response.

Pelican, I've said previously that I have no problem with equality of opportunity for the genders, but the fact is that equality of outcome is not possible, within each gender or across the gender divide.

What I object to is the ever-increasing favouritism shown to women in every aspect of society to try to make the outcomes equal. It is distorting the natural proclivities of men and women to choose different work and different types of lifestyle. It is damaging our nation's productivity in favour of a welfare-mediated mediocrity based on dishonest premises. It is creating generations of children with no family to speak of and all the associated problems that brings.

It is fragmenting our society and it is sucking enormous amounts of productive tax revenue to do so. I realise change is inevitable, but the change we are seeing in Australia today is not good and it's not what the majority of either gender want. Women complain about being "commodified" and yet that is precisely what they have allowed to be done to them in their name.

It's throwing all of the accepted "finer feelings" of men back in our faces to the detriment of everyone. I am not at all sure that if the Titanic was to sink today that there would be many men prepraed to give up their seat in the lifeboat for women. After all, why should they?

'Institutional Grooming Defined and Explained'

Haha.Classic! Oh let me guess all the 'groomers' are male? They must be pretty talented seeing as how they live in a society prejudiced by the general stereotype of male=abuser woman=victim, and all the officials of all the organisations will be prejudiced by such, without even starting on all the PC feminist bent on all legislation. No women groomers in this wonderfully supportive environment around the Family Court of abused women making a difference as 'counsellors' and career feminists looking to make a name for themselves.

'Such decisions about children should be based on a `Balance of Probabilities' '

Wow! That's NEW! I though zero tolerance, and the best interests of the children was the standard cry from Ms Chaz. If you could just save one child... Where there's smoke... How can you alow any risk... Women just don't lie about this stuff...

That'll do me! Balance of probabilities. I like the sound of that much better.

Oooooh. I get it. Balance of probabilities=the butler did it. ie. Smoke=Fire even if the mother is a chain smoker.

Even better I like the sound of...'Family Courts do not have the POWERS, EXPERTISE, nor RESOURCES to investigate child abuse and domestic violence'

Amen. They should. Any accusation of any abuse should be straight in the criminal court, with due powers of investigation and laws against perjury. In the meantime, kids with the state until it all gets sorted out

Special merit to Vanna...

In regards to reasons for relationship breakdown:

Financial stress 26%
Communication difficulties 25%
Different expectations 23%

You would NEVER know that by reading most of the comments on this topic. Why all them mariages that break up are due to them abused woman y'know! Lookin at you too pelican!

PS: It is a common feminist re-painting of history to depict all marriages pre-feminism with a cold, aloof (at best) or abusive (mostly) patriach and a timid scared helpless woman.

Kinda like this...

http://www.redbubble.com/people/bronek/art/393697-dinner-time

Good article by Warwick Marsh. Unjust treatment of fathers in the Family Court is a significant aspect of a fatherless society.
Defence of the family is met with intimidation and distortion.
Miranda Devine's moderate words http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/jack_boot_left_gives_dads_a_kicking/ were twisted to “People in London are rioting because Penny Wong is having a baby". In reality she is not having a baby. There is no relationship between her and the child, who factually has one father and one mother.
It is appalling that a donor father was struck off his daughter’s birth certificate http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/stroke_of_a_pen_cuts_sperm_donors_life_with_his_child/ . Lisa Miller, a natural mother, lost a court case to retain custody of her own daughter from her former Lesbian partner.http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/nov/10110208
Radical activists are unrelenting in an attempt to impose their will on society. SSM activists can not speak for homosexual persons, as radical feminists can speak for women.
Alienation of fathers from their natural role as protectors of the family is gravely detrimental to women and children. Tony Abbott exercised this paternal role when he advised his daughters to maintain chastity before marriage. Julia Gillard labelled this as "a woman's worst nightmare". It is a distorted view to suppose that promotion of promiscuity for girls somehow enhances the status of women!

Houellebecq:"Ms Chaz"

Actually, it's "Mr Chaz Pragnell". Chief Justice Diana Bryant of the High Court doesn't think much of what he's got to say.

The group he's hitched his wagon to since leaving the UK consists of a group of social misfits who share a dislike of traditional masculinity. They come from a common background in women's refuges and women's social advocacy. The most respectable of them is Barbara Holborrow, who can seem reasonable, but is quite fanatical in her ideology.

Pragnell can be summed up by two quotes:"He was a member of an international working party of social workers in child and family services which was set up by the Federation Internationale de Communite' Educative to produce an international Code of Ethical Conduct and Practice Principles for social workers worldwide "

http://www.nccps.org.au/eap/charles_pragnell.html

and

"The selective use/misuse of information is part and parcel of any debate"

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12255#212833

Ethics, anyone?

It is always comforting to read that feminists rule the world and that single mothers are more dangerous to world peace than the weapons industry. Dear Warwick knows what unowned women can do but he is only one man and can't own and control all the women in the world. What a shame, with his credentials of all that religion and all. Maybe if he asked all the woman-hating men who have been abandoned by women for no better reason than their body-odour or tyre-changing ways global female dominance can be eradicated in the name of the Lord (Lord Warwick and his many man minions every ready to subdue the evil of untamed woman - look at what Eve did to her chap when left alone with a snake for a minute). Go guys go you hate them women that will stop the ruling the world. Gr growl hate females.