L.B.Loveday, Diver Dan etc.

Homosexual marriage and homosexual pair bonding is now attached to IVF (Eg Penny Wong and Sophie Allouache).

IVF is a completely unnecessary, expensive, evasive procedure that has a huge number of moral and ethical questions attached.

To involved to go into here, but if you investigate IVF, then the future of IVF is very much heading towards cloning babies and also producing genetically engineered babies (or designer babies).

Various feminists have supported IVF in the past because a woman could become pregnant without sex with a man, and the father of the child could also be dispensed with before the child was even born.

However, the future of IVF is to produce a zygote cell without a male sperm cell, and even without a female ovum cell.

In essence, the child is cloned from somatic or body cells, and that is an abomination of nature.

Parents can always adopt children, and there are millions of children seeking adoption, and need adoption.

There are moral issues regards homosexual marriage, but these pale in significance compared to the moral issues surrounding IVF.

To reject homosexual marriage on moral grounds, but still accept or even encourage IVF is simply irrational in the extreme.

hetrophobia - so bad.

"Many of my friends in *the Fatherhood and men’s movement* call the Sydney Morning Herald the "Sydney Morning Homosexual" or the "Sydney Morning Feminist" depending of course on which story is on the front page."
Posted by Warwick Marsh, Thursday, 18 August 2011 5:17:29 PM

the Fatherhood and men’s movement - so good.

Newspapers not counting accurately - so bad. So very very bad. Naughty.

vanna wrote "Parents can always adopt children, and there are millions of children seeking adoption, and need adoption".

I mentioned adoption, but added ................., and included in the dots is the fact that there are very, very few children available for adoption in Australia due the 10s of thousands of children that are cruelly aborted every year, and to adopt a child from overseas is not only a difficult and often lengthy procedure (so can be the natural "making" of a child), but very costly, indeed out of the reach of many, likely most.

The fact of 'marriage' between two humans is seen in numerous ways in different countries and religions around the world. Both Christian and homophobic views of the ritual are, globally, in the minority. Somehow, the vitriolic rage of a few comments speaks more of their writers' insecurity than any 'sin' or transgression on the part of persons who are homosexual.
One of the best comments upon gay marriage comes from a New Yorker cartoon. A couple together, she reading the paper, he watching television. Woman..."I see they're making gay marriage legal." Man..."Good God, haven't they suffered enough?"

carol83,
Your common association of terms like "homophobic views", "vitriolic rage" are suposed to foster guilt in those who uphold the biological fact that two persons of the same sex cannot produce children. Therefore same gender persons are not in any biological sense married.

Your attitude demonstrates your own emotive bullying opinion and is not factual, and is intended to beat persons into submission as guilty. Learn to debate facts!

Kenny http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=12485#215719

"imeParent last time i looked the church had a fair bit of the worlds wealth and the ear of many governements" Sadly, the christian chrches are dying... it is obvious that you haven't walked into one recently or you would know. The average age of anglican churchgoers is 62... post retirement, ready for the grave.

The only money they have left after the financial crisis is what the dying give them in their wills... and that is not a sustainable suource of funds.

Despite about two thousand years of generally doing good and making the world better (despite some obvious and extreamly well-publicised exceptions). The western world is a worse place for the colapse of christianity adn the rise of the alternative religions...

The alternative religions - the growth religions are islam, feminism, socialism, welfareis, greenieism... and these have killed many more people in 100 years than christianty has killed in 2000.

Socialism alone - think Stalin and his purges, Mao and the cultural revolution, Pol Pot and the killing fields... Greenies killed many paople - for example the Helensburgh fire tragedy 1998 - because the anti-pollution greenies made hazard-reduction burning impossible