Ammonite,
Twisted reasoning will not change the facts that two people who love each other; does not a marriage make. I love my brothers and we give each other a hug as greeting - this does not constitute a marriage. No your homosexual relationship constitutes a basis of sexual perversion to show love. This is merely the base eros love of self gratification and not the deep love of ungratified sacrifice.

Martin it is you that is dictating how it should be, I and the greatest majority of people respect others, why can you not.
I repeat, a person of extreme fundmentalist religous belief killed many innocent people in Norway, how come we do not hear any condemnation from extreme "christian" believers!
There is a piece currently on OLO regarding this issue, by one of your lot re this heinous act, your contribution would make interesting reading

Philo

I am talking about people who love each other. You are the one fixated on sex. Get your mind out of other people's bedrooms and consider the many facets of love. From parental love for their children, love for one's own parents, love for a friend, love for a sibling and, love for one's lover.

People wanting to commemorate their relationship formally are not about "base eros love of self gratification" as you so nastily termed same sex marriage.

You still seek to control the behaviour of others based upon your own prejudices.

@ Kipp

I think you have made an excellent point, there are more fundamentalist Christians faffing on about what homosexuals do, than on the other thread protesting mass murderer, Breivik.

Can some Christians ever get their snouts out of other people's bedrooms and deal with real problems?

Ammonite,
The murder of the Youth in Norway was a criminal act now taken care of by the Norweigen Police - nothing you or I can do will change that. It's a red herring and not part of this discussion. The murderer was not following the teachings and attitudes of Christ - he deserves judgment and appropiate justice.

Kipp,
Why do you direct Martin and myself to leave this thread? Just because we hold socially responsible positions does not mean we are disrespectful of gays. I attended the funeral of a 42 year old family friend who died of AIDS last April, and my nurse at the clinic I attend is also gay. There is a difference between respect for people and socially responsible healthy acts

Stezza,
Marriage is not a private arrangement, it is a public declaration registered by the Government.

The use of discrimination laws by the gay lobby with regard to the nature of a sexual union (marriage) is deceptive and misleading of gender reality.

Kipp there you go again.

Not a word about why it might be wrong to use children like an accessory.

I'm not surprised, the culture thinks along those lines we kill them by the million in the womb, they're sexually abused more than ever before and can't even walk to school. That you accept the thinking that leads to this just means your a conformist and so crippled intellectually. Unable to argue under this disability, like a nervous twitch you resort to mindless ad hominems like 'bigot' 'fundamentalist' 'religious extremist' etc like a desperate incantation. 'Climate change denier' is used in a similar way to short circuit debate so as to reap political and cultural spoils.

And now you use Breviek? who said he didn't follow Jesus but was more a follower of Odin and liberal thinkers like JS Mill? who was a victim of liberal conceptions of the family that you are arguing for now? Any sane person can see he is more closely related to your world view than to Jesus Christ's!