Kipp. We have a nature and can act to fulfill it and become more human, i.e. to grow in the capacity to love and be loved. Eating dirt does not fulfil our nature, neither does vice, which tends toward disintegration of the human personality. Traditional morality simply takes our experience seriously and reflects on what leads to human flourishing and says 'this is good'. It takes seriously our entire existence and experience, e.g it takes the body seriously as something in need of explanation and attention; it doesn't explain it away as a mere instrument of desire.

All our organs are fully functional except for our reproductive ones; they only fulfil their function in bodily union with the complementary kind - the natural fruit is - a child. The two become ONE both bodily in the act and in the new child. Everything depends on the proper ordering of this special relationship, for obvious reasons it is primary in the social order. It is called marriage and we are insane to pretend it is the equal of any other kind of relationship, it is a flight from reality into the fever-mind of a disembodied ego.

I suspect your definition of freedom, your morality, is just the fulfillment of the wants/desires of the "I" and who thinks the state as the tool to achieve it. No matter what the cost to Australia.

Kipp, as Prof. Deenen quoted; you have a moral philosophy dreamed up by childless men who have forgotten their childhood. Stop listening to a handful of academics, rejoin the human community. Let some love into your life. Yield to a life giving definition of love, not a frightened narrow poor souls' definition.

Philo

Your religion and your interpretation of such, not all theologians agree with that view.

Men commit shameless acts all the time and they are not homosexual. They murder, they abuse, they bully, they torture, they steal, they rape - all these are heinous acts.

A couple of people of the same sex loving each other does not fit in with any act of shame.

You continue to force YOUR religion onto others, dictating how others should live, telling people not to love each other - this is a shameless act of intolerance and bigotry.

Ammonite what are you saying? you're telling committed orthodox Christians what Biblical morality is wrt homosexuality? Of course 'theologians' who have felt alienated from the Bible's teaching twist it out of all recognition - the same was done in order to justify slavery. No one is falling for it.

Just who is coercing who? New York has just abolished marriage as a matter of civil law and replaced it with a counterfeit that New Yorkers’ children and grandchildren will be taught to accept and approve as if it were the real thing. What New York now offers its citizens is “marriage” in name only. In reality, it doesn’t give marriage to same-sex partners — the nature of marriage makes that impossible, just as it makes it impossible to offer marriage to parties of three or more persons in polyamorous sexual partnerships. Rather, it takes away the legal recognition of marriage — a comprehensive union of persons ordered to having and rearing a family — and offers in its place legal recognition of a form of domestic partnership for romantic-sexual partners (in pairs for now, but that will not hold), be they same-sex or opposite-sex. [RPG]

Why do extreme religous fundamentalists have such an intense interest in SEX, as sex is just a part of a relationship, not the total thing that two people commit too.
One of these extreme religous fundamentalists, went about killing innocent people in Norway, so how can your arguments or comments be taken seriously, when you have such indifference and disrespect for others, unless they live by your rules.
You live in a democracy, respect it and all its citizens, if you can"t
move to a country that rules by theocracy.

Kipp I could be forgiven for thinking you were a plant to make your people look even more deranged.

Is it 'democratic' to deliberately deny a child its mum or dad? Not simply because of tragic circumstances, but to deliberately plan that deprivation? It may suit the adults for whatever reason, but is it fair to the child?

People fall on different sides of debates about how to justly order our common life together. It is frustrating that everyone doesn't fall into line with what you want. You experience this as such an obvious evil that you believe only religious fundamentalism terrorism, unabombing hatred could be the cause.

Adolescent name calling is very common among homosexual marriage supporters. I don't think it is hard to explain why, narcissism and arrested psychosexual development is a predisposition to homosexual behaviour. All that is needed is to project this self loathing onto the order of western society itself as if it were the source of this alienation and you have the movements of homosexual 'marriage' summed up.

If fertile homosexuals (note identity by sex) wish to have children then let them marry the opposite gender and have them as nature designed. Not sponge on the public purse. Children are not objects of trade, or dolls of affection. They are persons in their own right and have need of affection from both mother and father. IVF was developed to assist infertile hetrosexual couples failing to conceive naturally. Not for fertile same sex partners to dote over.