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By Stephen Crabbe, published 25/7/2011Debate between 'believers' and 'unbelievers' is noisy but today's most significant battle over religion is occurring within the religions themselves.
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Posted by Noisy Scrub Bird, Monday, 25 July 2011 2:53:03 PM
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LOL @ Jon J - I'll pay that!a
Posted by morganzola, Monday, 25 July 2011 3:04:26 PM
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I will second that one Morganzola, Jons post was a rippa.
NSB Posted by Noisy Scrub Bird, Monday, 25 July 2011 3:28:16 PM
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It appears that you are still working on squeezing Christianity into a form in which you find yourself able to believe, Mr Crabbe. I'm not sure this piece helps you along the way, though.
Your previous two pieces addressed the same issue, from different angles. In "God does not exist: God insists", you tried to approach it from the linguistic perspective, and in doing so tied yourself into some truly remarkable semantic knots. We then spent hours trying to unravel the language sufficiently enough to glean some underlying meaning. As a direct outcome of this interchange, you produced a piece on the Nicene Creed, in which you determined, unilaterally, that "Credo in unum Deum" did not actually translate as "I believe in one God". Things necessarily went downhill from there. This has a different flavour, one which - superficially at least - has something going for it. Everyone who is not deeply embedded within one or the other, or who believes in none, recognizes that the external trappings of religions have no bearing whatsoever on the beliefs they purport to uphold. For one thing, if they did, there would be no strife between Christian and Muslim, Protestant and Catholic, or any persecution of the Jews. Unfortunately, rather than accept that the formalization process itself is what causes the problem, you offer a solution which, to the outsider, is simply a new arrangement of the same old deckchairs - a "New Christianity for a New World" (your caps). Which, sadly, bears all the hallmarks of the old one, but with what the Gruen Transfer might call "added shininess" So near, yet so far. Once again, may I wish you every success in working through this "seeking an answer" phase, Mr Crabbe. It might help, though, if you were to spend more time examining the question. Posted by Pericles, Monday, 25 July 2011 3:45:19 PM
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Re the "religion" of atheism and its now world-wide cultural program (or extension) brought to one and all in the form of scientism or scientific materialism.
Scientism achieves physically effective control over physical objects, and human populations, by means of physically based technologies. Scientism achieves physically effective mind-control over human individuals and collectives by means of physically effective technologies, practical and consumer-oriented inventions, power-alliances with social and political institutions, the broad-scale ritual propagandizing of "scientific" myths, and the broad-scale persistent propagandizing of IRREDUCIBLY "objectified" beliefs in such ideas as rationality, materiality, objective certainty, progress, analytical reason as an exercise superior to all other human efforts and forms of knowledge, the necessary mortality of nature, mind, and being, and both the "authority" and the presumed ultimate sufficiency of scientism, itself. For an interesting, and amusing deconstruction of the truth claims of the dogma of scientism please check out this reference. http://global.adidam.org/media/science.html Posted by Ho Hum, Monday, 25 July 2011 5:04:50 PM
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Well Jon J, don't keep it all to yourself. Please share the inspiration that has come from your atheism...
Posted by rational-debate, Monday, 25 July 2011 5:18:36 PM
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If Catholic Priests were allowed to marry, there surely would be less incidence of Children being molested, it would also allow them to have the experience of marriage counselling for their married congregation.
When the Pope recently said that he "Prayed to God to forgive the sins of the Molesting Priests", "Sins?" said someone who posted on another forum, "how about Crimes, instead".
NSB