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Tasmania: When 'Green' philanthropy becomes a wrecking ball : Comments

By Mark Poynter, published 21/7/2011

Potentially crippling a state economy and ruining thousands of lives redefines what it means to be a philanthropist

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By the time Jan Cameron has her way, the only viable business left in Tassie will be Chickenfeed. Won't that be great, we can all live of environmentally damaging imported crap! Asia wont have any forests, but that is ok, tassie will have every last stick in National park and reserves (not just the 75% that already is). All Asia's rivers will be polluted, but that is ok, we can sit back on our porch drinking late and the ex anti forestry campaigners will be thinking about the good old days when they had something to campaign on to springboard them in to Politics.
Posted by Rumpelstiltskin, Friday, 22 July 2011 8:56:14 AM
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Rumpelstiltskin

Ah, so you have woken up again.
I can assure you that I am long past “having a job” and am now of the persuasion that it will not matter now what happens because if we are not past the point of no return, we are so close it does not matter.
So we (humans that is) are going to complete the job that we have excelled at, trashing the planet to have possession of lots of little bits of paper called dollars or even worse have an electronic machine say that we own them even though they are not actually in our grasp.
Then we can build ourselves a monstrous great house (Mac castle) that is going to be too big to heat or cool and has only 2.2 humans living in it. We will buy an enormous so called Sports Utility Vehicle, capable of crossing deserts and up mountains and use it to take the kids to school or do a bit of shopping even though it is probably close enough to walk and it will use ten times the amount of a diminishing resource called oil, that a smaller more sensible car would do.
You just keep on the way you are going and it will all turn out for the best.
Probably the extinction of most of life on the planet and that will include trees.
Posted by sarnian, Friday, 22 July 2011 9:50:54 AM
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Sarnian:

Co2 plus water plus sunlight = wood. Wood can be stored in buildings and paper for decades while new trees grow and use more CO2 plus water plus sunlight to make more wood. If you log 1% of the place the trees grow every year and regenerate it, it will never run out assuming they grow for 100 years. In addition if you keep some in permanent National Park like happens in Australia then genetic pool of plants and animals is always protected.

Everything else used in building and manufacturing (coal, oil, iron ore, gas etc) causes atmospheric carbon to increase and will eventually run out.

The places trees grow store koalas, quolls, and wombats.

The place everything else comes from is a biological desert.

In Australia we can regulate how forests are managed. if we import wood from Asia we cannot.

Which do you want?

Make sure your latte is nice and warm while you think about the answer to this...I am busy planting trees.
Posted by Nervous Nellie, Friday, 22 July 2011 10:33:03 AM
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Nervous Nellie
You say
“Co2 plus water plus sunlight = wood. Wood can be stored in buildings and paper for decades while new trees grow and use more CO2 plus water plus sunlight to make more wood.

Unfortunately if you have just clear felled over 5 million tons of trees in a year to export as chips, it takes many years to replace that amount of carbon as trees. In the first years of growth there would only be a few hundred tons replaced. Now I agree that some of the timber felled will still be holding CO2 but a large amount is burned as packing cardboard, newsprint Etc and is released into the atmosphere. There will be a net loss.
There are also the emissions of the machinery to harvest, process, and transport the timber to be taken into account. As well there are emissions from the “burn offs”.
Left as standing timber the CO2 is stored virtually endlessly.

There are other considerations such as a standing forest provides rain through transpiratation.
Clear felled forest allows soil to dry out until there is sufficient growth.

I think you will find that the best way to manage a forest is to selectively log to provide timber for building, furniture Etc and allow the forest to regenerate naturally.

"Make sure your latte is nice and warm while you think about the answer to this...I am busy planting trees."

Well I do know that you will never plant enough to replace all the clear felled timber.
FYI I live in the bush, I do not drink latte I am too busy working at growing toxin free food, providing heat and shelter and living an organic life.
Don’t take the antigreen stereotype of bearded city dweller too seriously, it is only propaganda put out by big business in their attempt to muddy the waters with mis information.
Posted by sarnian, Friday, 22 July 2011 11:13:10 AM
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Sarnian
By the number of posts, you dont seem all that busy growing "Toxin free food". By the way, what is your shelter made out of? What do you use as fuel for heating?

Also good to see you accepting a small element of someone elses opinion that differs from yours. I thought you said in previous posts that anyone with a different opinion to yours was automatically wrong? What has changed?
Posted by Rumpelstiltskin, Friday, 22 July 2011 12:13:21 PM
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Sarnian,

I'm going to do the math, but I need to know what land base was your 5 million tonnes of chipwood harvested from?

Hectares, forest type, and State (of the Commonwealth) will do.

Thanks in advance
Posted by hugoagogo, Friday, 22 July 2011 12:37:14 PM
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