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Tasmania: When 'Green' philanthropy becomes a wrecking ball : Comments

By Mark Poynter, published 21/7/2011

Potentially crippling a state economy and ruining thousands of lives redefines what it means to be a philanthropist

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It's interesting that Jan Cameron made her fortune from up-market retailer Kathmandu, and more recently from on-selling cheap imported goods in her Chickenfeed outlets. At first sight one couldn't see anything objectionable to these ventures, but goods produced cheaply in China necessitates exploitation of Chinese labour and also comes with huge environmental costs. The textile industry for instance accounts for 10% of pollution vented directly into Chinese river systems, killing aquatic life and endangering human health.

Wood and Cameron, by focussing their philanthropy toward 'saving' Tasmania's forests betray a lack of perspective or of any sense of proportionality. They are attempting to address a non-existent problem since by any stretch of the imagination Tasmania's forests are not under threat. Perversely, their only achievement will be to create adverse environmental outcomes – this time in illegally logged third world countries and by worsening the environmental outcomes in Tasmanian forests as Mark has pointed out
Posted by Ben Cruachan, Thursday, 21 July 2011 1:38:52 PM
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Mark.
I have read the article in the link and to be honest having read the info about this site, I would not use anything from it for cleaning rags.

I.e. “We’re VEX because that’s as close to Rupert Murdock’s FOX as we could get without having legal trouble. We love FOX NEWS, even when we don’t agree with it. This news service is our homage to its inspiration. We’re VEX because vex means to annoy people and that’s precisely what we’ll be doing when we’re doing our job. Speaking truth to power. Afflicting the comfortable. Comforting the afflicted. VEX also means debating, provoking, confronting, arguing and irking and we’ll be doing plenty of that too.”

Sorry but I am not impressed with their integrity let alone their truthfulness.
Is this the quality of the information that you get from the net?
Posted by sarnian, Thursday, 21 July 2011 2:47:11 PM
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I like sheep. They usually taste nice when you roast them. And their wool is very warm in my doona. They also have good skin that goes well in my babies cot.

I dont like Greens. They dont taste nice when you roast them. They dont have warm skins that you can use for babies cots...and their hair is all greasy and doesnt keep you very warm at all.

I dont really like the city either...there are too many Greens there.

I do like farms. They have lovely farmers living on them that plant trees and fence off creeks. They also spend a lot of time worrying about willow trees and rabbits and foxes and erosion. Sometimes on weekends they go out and work together to fix these things with a club they call landcare.

Usually you do not see many Greens fixing those things because they are too busy in the city drinking coffee and worrying about how bad the farmers are with their nasty sheep.

I dont like rabbits.
Posted by Nervous Nellie, Thursday, 21 July 2011 4:48:50 PM
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A friend once had afternoon tea with the President of Vietnam many years ago. He posed the question 'what about the environment' as he had seen problems where he had travelled. The President's response was, "first economy, then environment - we have to pay for it". Given Vietnam's situation the statement is understandable irrespective of the link between the environment and the economy.

Underlying that statement, though, is an economic reality; we must have the economic ability to meet our environmental responsibilities. Neither can take precedence.

This is not a case of arguing for capitalism, it is a case of arguing for an economy that meets requirements. Assuming resouces from 'somewhere else' will be made available to fill a void is folly.

Tasmania is increasingly being portrayed as a failing state. Its capacity to provide for its citizens or protect its environment is thereby declining.
Posted by Cronus, Thursday, 21 July 2011 5:17:08 PM
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Cronus. I have a solution for the economy in Tasmania. Instead of managing the forests sustainably, clear them all to grow sheep. That will please everyone, as Nervous Nelly will get her sheep to keep her warm and fed, and then there will be no forests left to log so Sarnian will be happy. Only problem then is that Sarnian and the Wilderness society will be out of jobs because there will be no more sustainably managed forests to campaign against.... Unless of course they want to move to SE Asia and campaign to stop forest harvesting there. But i doubt no one will want to contribute to their political campaign there.
Posted by Rumpelstiltskin, Thursday, 21 July 2011 6:53:14 PM
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SM “It is interesting that the state where the greens have the greatest influence, has a steadily declining productivity, and is now dependent on GST hand outs from the other more economically progressive states.”

It is simple.

“Government” does not have the intellectual scope or monetary interest to follow through with what real capitalists can do. That is why government enterprises invariably fail.

As for a couple of greens buying a Tassie business…

That is life.

I may disagree with the new owners on many things but I will always support their right to deploy their resources in the manner they see fit and if that means payng a lot for assets which they intend to waste, then so be it.

Better they waste their money and resources than some green wagged government wastes my taxes doing the same thing… exactly like introducing a pointless carbon tax to pay people compensation for carbon tax… all too circular (as in fairy circles)

Belly “I am watching the Murdock unraveling with hope.”
What a low and vindictive sloth you are…. The absence of charity in your posts echoes the absence of character in your life

Hasbeen – Tassie and Kiwis.. the Kiwis taxed cattle farts… I don’t hold out much hope for them
Posted by Col Rouge, Friday, 22 July 2011 12:03:38 AM
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