RPG It is really quite simple, the first war against Saddam Hussein was backed up by international law and the approval of the United Nations.
The second was NOT.
And besides which the 9/11 terrorists were Saudi nationals.
Using the justifications or rather lies of the time re the origins and alleged state backing of the terrorists, why then did the USA and the coalition of the killing invade Iraq rather than Saudi Arabia?

ho hum, off topic strawman argument ..

Did I hear someone say to lower the voting age to 16 ? I suppose they're the same people who advocate poker machines for everywhere & more grog in communities. The Greens I hear you say ? You mean green behind the ears ?

However , I find it difficult to understand how even conservative - voting Australians can be comfortable with retaining the British head of state .
jaylex,
I agree but whom do you have in mind to replace the Queen with, Bob Brown ?

After reading the posts, there are again many good points being put forward but I have noticed that the posts are neglecting to mention what I consider is the most relevent point of all - DEMOCRACY.
We are led to beleive that Australia is a DEMOCRATIC country so I must ask all of you if you know and understand the true meaning of what a DEMOCRACY is?
My understanding of a DEMOCRACY is as follows;
1. In a DEMOCRACY the PEOPLE rule. The people meaning natural men and
women.

2. Parliaments are entities where Officials rule and in most cases,
Parliaments do not adhere or listen to the will of the people and
when they do this they are in fact using Tyrannical rule and this
is a DICTATORSHIP and NOT DEMOCRACY.

3. In a DEMOCRACY there are Laws, Rules, Regulations and INALIENABLE
Rights and Freedoms enacted into the SUPREME DOCUMENT guaranteeing
protections of the peoples Rights and Freedoms.

4. In Australia our SUPREME DOCUMENT is the COMMONWEALTH of AUSTRALIA
CONSTITUTION Act, 1900, which was enacted as Law by the Federal
Parliament in 1901. Our Constitution guarantees our DEMOCRATIC
Rights and Freedoms.

Unfortunately many of the people do not know of its existance or fail to understand the relivence and its importance.
Our ignorance of our DEMOCRATIC Rights and Freedoms has enabled the Parliament and the Government (State and Federal) and Officials to remove and limit our DEMOCRATIC Rights and Freedoms.
Before Parliaments can enact any legislation that will impact on the PEOPLE of Australia and the furure generations of Australia they must by law ask the people to vote in a referendum to vote on the propsed legislation, this will enable the people to either endorse or deny the legislation. Parliaments, Governments and Officials must obey the will of the PEOPLE, that is DEMOCRACY.

Continued from previous post.
Federal and State Government Parliaments and Officials cannot alter, change or in anyway tamper with the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia 1900. We the people are the only ones who can amend the Constitution.

Australian Federal, State Governments, Parliaments and Officials are continually abusing their authority and they now enact DRACONIAN Laws, Rules, Regulations and Statutes, This is DICTATORSHIP and TYRANNY.

They have and are continuing to sell the Australian peoples assets to foreign investors and governments without the permission of the people
They sold all of our utilities such as our electricity, gas, telephone and water, which were originally owned by us the people and administered by the Government. They did this without our permission and we are now forced to continually pay the increased price rises.

The Australian mining industry sold to foreign investors. Again without our permission.

Australian farms, land, real estate, properties and forests sold to foreign investors. Again without our permission.

Local Australian Industries are finding it difficult to compete with the prices of imported goods.

Foreign investors can now can supply their own work force with people on work visas, this is at the cost Australian peoples jobs.

Foreign investors pay very little if ant taxation to Australia as they pay the tax to their own countries. We the Australian People have to pay by way of the G.S.T. to make up for what the Australian Taxation Depatment is losing.

Our Governments are finding more ways to raise revenue from the us the People, such as the Traffic cameras, new Road Rules legislations, increased taxes, and now the Carbon Tax, which will eventually be an Emissions Trading SCHEME.

SCHEME is a good word for it. They are trying to sell it to the people by offering a bribe to absorb the initial costs, but the costs will increase to the point where they exceed the bribe.