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South Sudan v Kosovo: secession, national sovereignty, and territorial integrity : Comments

By Sam Vaknin, published 18/7/2011

What are the borders between insurgent and state actor?

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How to tell the difference between mere insurgency and national liberation - that's a hard one.

Maybe decades-long campaigns of ethnic cleansing and mass murder against an 'insurgent' group might kick things along, plus a ninety per cent-plus support by the people for secession, plus major cultural and other differences between them and a dominating overlord, which assumes it has some divine right to do what it likes with the 'insurgent' people.

Barring a people's language from use in the bureaucracy and at universities might give the impression that they are not really part of the country. If the dominating group clearly doesn't want to recognise equal rights of 'insurgent' groups, then what are they to do ? Put up with situations " .... where a definable group is denied meaningful access to government to pursue their political, economic, social, and cultural development..." forever ?

So maybe the question could be turned around: how can you expect people who are so vilely mistreated (in Kosovo since 1929? In South Sudan, since the fifties, if not for untold centuries) and discriminated against in every way NOT to seek to go their own way ?

Sovereignty should come from the people, not the rulers (cf. democracy vs. the Chinese model). The people of Kosovo and of South Sudan were given the chance to exercise their free choice, and they chose to secede by votes of ninety seven and ninety eight per cent. Or should they have been dictated to by the two per cent who wanted to maintain the status quo ?

The imperialist impulse dies very hard. I'm sure there are still Indonesians who think that East Timor should be part of Indonesia, Russians who think that Georgia should remain part of a neo-Tsarist empire - even English who think that Ireland should have remained part of the British Empire. The days of such reactionary ideas are well and truly over and it is up to those believers to get used to it - it's not up to the 'insurgent' people to have toexplain equality, choice and democracy to them.

Joe
Posted by Loudmouth, Monday, 18 July 2011 9:52:56 AM
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There is a huge overlap. Demographics = people power!

When people are poor and getting poorer, there is a very high chance of civil war. Especially when there is one group growing, and another group shrinking in numbers.

The high birthrates of the muslim populations overwhelming the country's resources and overwhelming the non-muslim population.

These are preludes for things to come as the wealthy and educated world shrinks and the larger populations continue to grow and eventuall demand the resources and land we have.

Note I say the 'wealthy word', NOT the western world, as the same problems are write large in Japan, Singapore and other wealthy non-western nations who also have negative population growth - in other words, wealthy countries are hell-bent on self-genocide.

Why are wellthy cultures dying? Here's a hint. Australian men don't want to become fathers... city offices are full of thirty-something professional women who can't get men willing to become fathers. 30 years of feminism and feminist divorce law has made men unwilling to become fathers.

Islam is the opposite of feminism.. and they are growing while we are dying
Posted by partTimeParent, Monday, 18 July 2011 8:11:53 PM
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