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21st century democracy needs defending : Comments

By Lee Rhiannon, published 15/7/2011

How does 21st century democracy manage lobbyists, corporate campaigning, and concentration of media ownership?

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Couldn't agree more on those points Lee. At one point in NSW the ALP was even considering abandoning its membership as they were too much of a nuisance to them all I heard. Now how can this be a party of workers? It has not had any really care for workers for decades except taking money off unions and throwing some policy scraps back to them.
Posted by Esscargo, Friday, 15 July 2011 10:41:48 PM
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"If there is a word that implies the negation of Democracy, that word is ‘Party’ as a cohort of people intent in imposing their will to all people. Politician is the one more vociferous in the cohort. Democracy is annihilated by one or a group of ones who succeed in imposing their will to others."

Nail. Head. Target. Bullseye. Hole in one. Goal. Score. Hit. Try.

The whole party thing is..well a party. Lot's of jokes, lot's of crap and a bit of fun ..but who can take them seriously? 88% apparently.

The Greens have got a rush on and are having their moment in the sun.

Unlikely to last though given that the other 88% of partiers are scared of them. Scare bears those greens.

Nah. More like the indistinguishable dysfunctional political duopoly will form a temporary functional block to wipe out the interlopers so they can get back to being an indistinguishable dysfunctional political duoploy.

Reminds me of the production car race series from the early 90's. Ford v Holden rules until the p1ssy little Nissan GTR sucked 'em in, chewed 'em up and spat 'em out. So Ford and Holden sooked out and formed their own V8 super car series: no competition please, we can't compete.

So it is with laborious Labor and tory Liberal: lowest bogan denominator politics.

The only thing more entertaining than watching Labor lose their way is the livid apoplexy of the hate filled self righteous Liberals (can a tory *please explain* why their preferred party is called Liberal?).

Anyone who relies on any government for the state of their finances, happiness and general well being needs to cut the umbilical cord and learn to rely on themselves. How green is that?
Posted by Neutral, Saturday, 16 July 2011 12:06:28 AM
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Dear Morganzola,

I am quite amazed by the posts of Col Rouge. Amazed because on the one hand he decries communism et al and on the other hand he takes great pride in being invited to hear Vaclav Klaus speak. The confusion lies in Rouge's apparent ignorance of Vaclav Klaus's background. Klaus was a trusted communist party member. He was given permission to travel abroad, a rare privilege - in the days when only trusted party members were afforded that right. Klaus worked for the
Communist Secret Police and a number of infiltration operations and Russia still possesses archives of his activities. Robert Eringer, a former CIA operative has written on the subject of Klaus. Klaus according to his predecessor Vaclav Havel (the dissident playwright
who led Czekoslovakia's "Velvet Revolution) accused Klaus of "gangster capitalism" with his cadre of party members and close communist allies. Klaus founded the "Civic Demogratic Party," but as the saying goes - the same people are still in power who ruled previously. "The shop name may have changed - but the shop remains the same." Oh and did I mention that nearly 45 million people have watched a video of one of Mr Klaus's recent news conferences on YouTube? The video is of Mr Klaus admiring a ceremonial pen (covered with semi-precious stones) during a state visit to Chile, and then
attempting to slip it under the table and into his pocket without anyone noticing. This was annotated and set to music by a Czech TV progam. If I was Col Rouge - I'd keep very quiet about going to hear
this man - unless of course some "communists" are more acceptable
than others.
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 16 July 2011 7:33:14 PM
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cont'd...

I apologise for my typo - it should be 5 million people who watched Klaus on YouTube - not 45.
Posted by Lexi, Saturday, 16 July 2011 7:36:57 PM
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@ Lexi:

Surprised that Col Rouge put his foot in it again?

Not the slightest bit, actually :)

Thanks for the info on Klaus, about whom I know little. Sounds like a real charmer - but you're right, to be consistent Col would have to shun him as yet another Bolshevik. A man of principle (even such as his) would decline the invitation.

I bet he doesn't ;)
Posted by morganzola, Saturday, 16 July 2011 7:48:16 PM
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Why is it that the Greens think they are the 'voice of the people'. They are no more the voice of the people than the Democrats were before them or the Shooters Party are now. It is quite delusional and it is a type of propaganda drum they keep beating.

To those who dispute the link between former Communists and the Greens need only to look into Lee Rhiannons history and that of other Green Party members. They should also read the history of Greenpeace by Patrick Moore the founder of Greenpeace who describes how his organisation was taken over by Marxists in the 1990's.
Posted by Atman, Saturday, 16 July 2011 8:24:36 PM
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