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Palestine: Obama sinks America’s integrity and reputation : Comments

By David Singer, published 24/5/2011

The American paradigm on Israel and Palestine evident in Obama's foreign policy. This time only some concessions are being made to Israel.

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And Halduel, your knowledge of the history of the area is deficient. When the Muslim (some call then Beddouin) armies came through palestine in 634ad, they found a mostly Jewish, Christian and Pagan population. They killed about 1/3 of them in the wars to conquer the land. They took about 1/3 of them into slavery (back) to Arabia. And they put in place laws for the remaining population which were so severly discriminatory against non Muslims, that many converted to Islam over the 1400 years of Muslim rule. So a proportion of the Muslims wanting the destruction of Israel have Jewish ancestry, and would today be Jews if it were not for those discriminatory laws and practices. This is confirmed by the fact that there is a very rare blood disease, shared almost only by Israeli and palestinian men, because they share the same heritage.
They are cousins and brothers, but because Islam disdaines pre-Islamic history, and because most in the west know almost nothing about Islam and its history, almost no-one knows this. I'm not sure if it would help to change the mind of fanatics, but ordinary Jews and palestinian Arabs might be interested to learn it.
Posted by camo, Monday, 30 May 2011 3:51:54 PM
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Dear Mr Singer,

By your argument Obama, by using the word 'Palestinians', has "become a parrot of such vicious and hate filled propaganda". 

That is so nonsensical that it just appears screwy. 

Are you screwy Mr Singer? Or is it unfair to ask that?

I posted your appalling statistics so that others can judge for themselves how much weight to put on your articles. They were not directed at you since we have trodden this road before and from memory you picked up your bat and ball and didn't want to play any more.

Dear camo,

More revisionism?

Here is a quote from Norm Cantor's book The Sacred Chain; "the greatest works of Jewish philosophy and theology produced in the Jewish diaspora since Alexandria in the first century A.D., and the most impressive corpus of Jewish poetry, some written in Arabic and some written in Hewbrew between the bible and the late nineteenth century, were the products of Muslim Spain."

And when the Jews were driven from that country one of the most welcoming rulers was the Ottoman sultan and a significant number of them "found comfortable refuge in Turkish domains".
Posted by csteele, Monday, 30 May 2011 9:40:17 PM
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#csteele

Again no response by you to challenge my message that the term "Palestinians" did not appear in the international lexicon until 1964.
Only another pathetic attempt to shoot the messenger.

The spectacular success of Arab propaganda since 1964 and its ability to influence one's thinking is not confined to ordinary persons such as yourself.It extends to people such as President Obama who would be well advised to use the term "Palestinian Arabs" - as would you.

Why do you continue to use the term "Palestinians" rather than "Palestinian Arabs"?

By the way - When are you going to let OLO readers know how many times I have used the term "Palestinian Arabs" in my articles over the last 12 months?
Posted by david singer, Tuesday, 31 May 2011 6:34:13 AM
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Hi csteele, are you suggesting that Jews weren't always persecuted by Muslims? Or that they were persecuted by Christians? Of course they were, by both, at various, and numerous, times.
From very early on, the Jews called themselves Priests, by which they meant they could read - very rare in ancient society, that most if not all people in a community could read. That's why they, along with early Christians (with less reason) were called "people of the book" by Roman authorities, a name which stuck even until the invention of Islam, which called them both by the same name (and confused their two histories). And, in fact, Muslim leaders found they could rely on Jews to give order to their empire, much moreso than other Muslims, because they were intelligent and well read, not just in their own scriptures but often in many ancient texts, in many languages. Muslim leaders also learnt that they provided convenient scapegoats when things went wrong, as they inevitably did, and so persecution of Jews was erratic in the Muslim empires, as it was in the Christian.
Islam is still actively, and institutionally, anti-semitic, whilst Chistianity has at least tied to deal with its anti-semitic past.
Posted by camo, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 11:31:34 AM
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Dear David Singer,

You asked; "By the way - When are you going to let OLO readers know how many times I have used the term "Palestinian Arabs" in my articles over the last 12 months?"

I'm not. That is your job if you wish to counter the point I have made, with some success it would seem because it appears to quite effectively neuter further discussion on your articles which I kinda miss.

Dear Camo,

Middle Eastern Jews and Muslims lived in relative harmony until the European Jewery came and buggered things up. Not entirely their fault of course but nevertheless changed the lot of indigenous Jewery throughout the region.

To try an attempt to balance Muslim antisemeticism with Christian antisemeticism is in my opinion a grave insult to those who have suffered polgroms throughout the ages culminating in the Holocaust under Christian regimes.
Posted by csteele, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 7:56:56 PM
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#csteele

Would have expected you to readily co-operate about the number of times I have used the term "Palestinian Arabs" rather than "Palestinians" over the past twelve months bearing in mind that this information is apparently at your fingertips following your acknowledged close monitoring of my articles. We are not at war.That you refuse to do so indicates you are running away from an argument you started. Doesn't do your credibility any good.

One last request - How many times did I use the term "Palestinian Arabs" in my articles during the last 12 months?
Posted by david singer, Wednesday, 1 June 2011 9:02:38 PM
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