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Palestine: Obama sinks America’s integrity and reputation : Comments

By David Singer, published 24/5/2011

The American paradigm on Israel and Palestine evident in Obama's foreign policy. This time only some concessions are being made to Israel.

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Mr Singer in common with many apologists for Israel persists in the selective quotations of UN resolutions and the wholesale rewriting of history. What he fails to address is often worse than the claims he makes.
Obama's speeches (Cairo, State Dept & AIPC) personify the duplicity and one-sidedness of US policy. Obama, like Mr Singer, fail to point out that Israeli settlment activity in the occupied territories is unlawful. Neither Obama nor Mr Singer discuss Israel's reliance on excessive lethal force, most recently last week in response to the Nabka demonstrations. Nor do they care to discuss Israel's blatant disregard for internaitonal law such as the continuing blockade of Gaza and the attack on the Freedom Floitilla in international waters.
Obama's speech referred to the borders of Israel and Palestine being based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps. This stance and that of Mr Singer represents a step back from the unanimous Security Council Resolution 242 that required the unconditional withdrawal of Israel armed froces from territory occupied in the 1967 conflict.
Leaving Jerusalem out of the negotiating process simply allows Israel to continue its unlawful processes of settlement expansion, ethnic cleansing, house demoliitons and withdrawal of residence permits.
Mr Singer also fails to address the question of the 4.7 million Palestinians registered with the UN as refugees, mostly in refugee camps or within the borders of those countries that adjoin Israel.
UNResolution 194 of 1948 said that those refugees wanting to return to their homes (from which they were forcibly evicted by the Israelis) should be permitted to do so at the earliest possible date.
Nor does Mr Singer address the situation of the 1.5 million Palestinians living as second class citizens within Israel. That issue alone among many makes a mockery of Israel's claim to be the Middle East's only democracy. (continued as separate post)
Posted by James O'Neill, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 3:58:13 PM
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There is much more that could be said but space contraints do not permit it. Suffice perhaps to note that every year for the past 40+ years the UN General Assembly has voted overwhelmingly to require Israel to comply with its international obligations. In recent years only Israel, the US, the Marhsall Islands, Palau and (to its undying discredit) Australia have voted against the resolution. The World Court said much the same thing in 2004. Is the world out of step? Or is it Israel by its arrogant disregard for anything but its own warped interests that is the greatest danger to peace in the Middle East.
Posted by James O'Neill, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 3:58:34 PM
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It's all over now David. You've lost.

The world has moved on from feeling guilty about the subjugation, dispossession and murderous ill-treartment of the Jews by the Nazis of Europe. You cannot rely on that theatrical device any longer. Now we are all starting to feel some guilt about the subjugation, dispossession and murderous ill-treartment of the Arab people of Palestine, by the Jews of Israel.

That was always going to happen because of the openness of our western liberal democracies which came to us through the egalitarianism of the Greeks (Something your apartheid promoting constitution rejects) and from our sense of justice, which came to us through Jesus Christ and particularly his Sermon on the Mount. (Something you've also rejected in favour of the traditional Jewish concepts of 'justice'.)

The Jews of Israel have little in common with us liberal democratic westerners. We've all woken up to the deceipt.

Obama isn't leading world opinion ... he's wisely following it.
Posted by imajulianutter, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 4:59:27 PM
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Where is the plea for mutual respect and understanding? One of the most powerful messages that we hear over and over again from both sides is that neither side thinks the other cares about its rights, or worse - suffering. This makes reconciliation next to impossible.

Surely there must be a way for Israel to exist securely while allowing justice for the Palestinian people. A sustainable future for Israel and the Palestinians should be our central concern.

I can only hope that the US President Mr Obama can help achieve this
goal. Possibly ,he feels that it is time for a radical rethinking of the conflict. He deserves full support in this - not criticism or condemnation.
Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 6:25:18 PM
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Once again, it is timely to remind Mr.Singer how the Zionists stole the land from the incumbent Palestinians. How they rounded up the men from the villages and transported them to other Middle eastern countries, some never to return until years later after their farms and houses had all been taken over by the Zionists. All this was done under the pretense that it was only going to be a temporary occupation.

No wonder they Jews have become the most hated group in the region.

David
Posted by VK3AUU, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 7:09:10 PM
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In the past year David Singer has written around 20,000 words in 22 articles on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict for OLO.

His aversion to the word ‘Palestinian’ is so pervasive he has personally included it less times over this entire period than President Obama did in the short speech that is the subject of this article.

The count for the President was 10.

I list below David Singer’s articles over the past 12 months from the most recent downwards. I have included the number of times the term ‘Palestinians’ was used by David in each article.

Palestine: Obama sinks America’s integrity and reputation 0

Palestine - bring Jordan back into the equation 0

The many hats of Abbas 0

Israel - a boycott without a buoy 2

Goldstone gazumped on Gaza 0

Obama - confronting the killing culture in Palestine 2

Palestine - intellectual ignorance insults Israel 2

Israel, the Arab World - the blessing and the curse 0

Egypt, Israel and Gaza - flashpoint for future confrontation 0

Palestine - no Jews, soon no Christians 0

Palestine: outing state-sponsored Jew-hatred 0

Palestine, UNESCO and Legal Realities 0

Mandela's Elders Malign Israel 0 (actually 2 but only to discredit the legitimacy of the term.)

Palestine - serious negotiations or spurious nonsense? 0

Palestine: Jew haters - like Koran burners - cannot be condoned 0

Palestine - one Arab, two States, three hats, no Jews 0

Confrontation or negotiation; intransigence or compromise? 0

Goodbye Palestinian Authority - welcome Jordan 0

Obama - dancing with the devil in the West Bank 0

Obama accelerates, Israel graduates, the West Bank separates 0

Obama clarifies stance on West Bank and Gaza 0

West Bank and Jerusalem Generate Jitters For Jordan 0

Why is a man with an almost pathological determination not to use the word ‘Palestinians’ allowed to continue contributing here?

To be fair I did slap him around about it last year and this year there has been some begrudging use but the last three articles have seen a return to the bad old ways.
Posted by csteele, Tuesday, 24 May 2011 11:19:50 PM
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