Indeed Saltpeter- if anything her reply proves that I was exactly right.
Checking;
-unsubstantiated stance written matter-of-factly
-zero reference to base argument on despite insinuating some previous argument or evidence that never occurred hoping people will believe her
-repeated insinuation of the evil "anti-pops" as nazis or crazies.

As you can see, the posts are exactly the same. She only trolls "pop" threads to sling mud on people that are obviously poo-pooing her own business, and makes absolutely zero arguments.

I'd say by this point not many people bother to even read what she writes, already expecting the same old, as actually expecting an argument out of her is like trying to get Runner to substantiate his views on the motives of atheists he usually comes up with.

Cheryl 'I simply enjoy shooting down bad arguments.'

And that applies to anything you say no substance and no reason and all that is done is shoot your self in the foot.

With an infra structure that is failing, hospitals closing, water restrictions, importing food, we cannot even support our existing population - no point in going on as it is beyond her capacity to understand.

Will just ignore in the future not worth reading her opinion.

Cheryl.....you are indeed great entertainment. Not only do you not understand the human populations problems of the 21 century, but I'll bet your religious as well. Yes, all those wonderful thoughts of children you claim to love, and you want them to adopted a planet where if there's to many people, the people will fail the people. The parasitic charities that relays on misery, will be doing a thriving business and collections for the good "will" organisation star awards for helping the poor, they will sleep like angels no-doubt, as the cash keeps rolling in.

Well....with your thinking, I think your discomfiting to know your even on this planet, let alone someone who's declared themselves as intelligent.

7 billion......23 million here right now! What is wrong with you woman? Do you not see whats around you?

Peter said it all here!

And that applies to anything you say no substance and no reason and all that is done is shoot your self in the foot.

With an infra structure that is failing, hospitals closing, water restrictions, importing food, we cannot even support our existing population - no point in going on as it is beyond her capacity to understand.

Will just ignore in the future not worth reading her opinion.
Posted by PeterA, Saturday, 21 May 2011 2:06:05 PM

And thats the facts Jack!

Shut the gates.....before its to late.

LEAP

I get heartily sick of the essentially irrational effusions from people such as Peter Hume that accept, if not aggressively demand, the continuing pathological destruction of global life systems in a blind, fan-boy deference to the notional imperatives of an imagined 'free market' ideal.

There is one, and there is only one, 'free market' on this planet that can perfectly and reliably allocate goods and services. This is the entity called biodiversity.

Whilst not generally recognized as such, biodiversity is essentially a global solar energy collection, transmission and storage grid. It is entirely self-replicating, self-maintaining and self-evolving. It reliably enables and regulates ALL of the transactions vital to our physical existence and well-being, none of which are at all possible for long with it defunct or even seriously impaired.

Humanity's technologies and notional interactive systems, such as our 'economy' and its 'markets', are entirely subsumed within the encapsulating forces of planetary biodiversity.

Our currently crazed view of our determinative ‘independence' via these notional vocations of technology and industrial economy is a product of both our incidental access to a vast and highly condensed store of fossilised solar energy and our near complete intoxication from the intense sense of power gained by its overly rapid consumption. A power as transient as it is intense.

Tragically our intoxication leads us to use this fossil power in an ever more rapacious destruction of the fabric that created it and which is the very basis of our survival without the fossil legacy. We are literally as dumbly destructive and dangerous to ourselves as an aggressive drunk trapped naked in a mirror exhibition.

At the end of this long night of over-indulgence we will have what our local landscapes can provide to us without incurring critical local depletion, either overall or within seasonal cycles. The remnant vitality of our localities and our numbers in any locality will most fundamentally arbitrate our situation and our hope within it.

Without abundant energy the globalised industrial economy, its sacred markets, and its convections of human capital and consumer sinks recede irretrievably into being the fantasy they really are

Hazza, Squeers, Shockadelic, Saltpetre, Grim, Quantumleap, wallumi

So what is it you want the state to force people to do?

How will that solve the problem that you can't have indefinite growth on a finite base?

For what would be the 48th time I've had to repeat these ideas in threads on this site when you were free to read them before:
1- scrap the baby bonus or any other financial incentive/disincentive to have children (except maternity/paternity leave).
2- Counteract social stigma of contraceptives, condoms and abortions
3- ensure all property development is at the discretion of local voters within the suburb (so that a development is only accepted if the people of the area actually need more people).
4- Counteract the culture that older employees are a liability (as I have lost count of how many people I know over the age of 50 who struggle to get employment despite being if anything, overqualified for their positions, even when the competition are complete buffoons).

And repeating 5- reduce demand for workers by continuing implementation of automated substitutes.
Beyond that, the above measures would satisfy me enough, personally. It would ensure unwanted pregnancies are vastly reduced, and numerous incentives for a "high population" are neutralized.

Sorry Hume- I know you were hoping for some kind of nazi sterilization act or Chinese one-child policy, so I must disappoint you again.

So with that in mind;
Unless Peter can actually think of a problem with that (aside from likely having a gripe with 3- as democratic accountability of having to actually answer to the people you intend to involve your projects with is just another form of socialist fascism in his eyes) I believe there is little else for me to say here.