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No reality holiday from this population challenge : Comments

By Asher Judah, published 20/5/2011

As much as some would like to see a slowdown in the pace of growth, the socioeconomic costs of doing so far outweigh the benefits.

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Your idea that we can get goods and services cheaper by getting government to provide them, is completely and utterly disproved by the 6 questions in my 3rd and 4th last posts here http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4305&page=0#109991
which is why you have repeatedly evaded answering them, because you know you can’t do so without making more of a self-contradicting fool of yourself than you are already.

c) The problem isn’t that I’m mistakenly identifying you as a socialist and authoritarian, it’s that I’m correctly identifying it and you don’t like it, and fly into a petulant fury of personal insult in reaction.

Since you haven’t answered my *earlier* repeatedly asked 6 questions, you are in no position to complain that I haven’t answered your *later* questions, especially since your questions presuppose what mine prove wrong, even if you had made your questions clear and unreliant on personal abuse, which you haven’t.

But perhaps more of your ad hominem argument, mind-reading, misrepresenting me as supporting extermination, evasion, lying that you’re not in favour of enforcing your proposed policies when you are, and squarking vague slogans will satisfy your intellectual standards?
Posted by Peter Hume, Sunday, 29 May 2011 3:09:32 PM
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Peter
In response to your customized ad hominem attacks
"How do you like it?"
Actually the way I feel about those accusations is exactly the same as the past insinuations of being a communist, fascist or final-solution Nazi that you have tried to imply upon me and others.
I'm actually starting to wonder that you don't realize you're even doing it, which is a worry.

The issue is actually about the socio-economic costs of a population slow-down, which I already demonstrated from a business perspective is not a problem at all unless you work in housing or services industries. It had nothing to do with socialist-style government-ownership or intervention at all, but for some reason you want to keep talking about this instead.

1-As I don't endorse government control of industry, I'm not even sure where that even came from (except as another example of one of your own ad-hominem insinuations that I am a pinko)

2- Again, I'm not enforcing "socialist" opinions on anyone (and so far haven't even advocated socialism in any shape or form other than the status quo of Australian services prior to the 2000s). Which means that is another ad-hominem attack.

3- Again ignoring that the original basis of government being DD, you're only wanting to Segue away from it. But lets compare.
Governments- required to coordinate aid, provide legal and medical support to people who need it, coordinate major events and infrastructure establishment and usage, fund non-profit services, and submit their leadership to votes and compelled to win votes in remote areas that struggle to attract interest from a profiteering standpoint;
Corporations- dont. Nor should they be expected to. But if they're not under the obligation to provide these, then its fair that if someone is expected to do the above legwork to keep society functioning, it must be the government.

Your inability to tell apart a "capitalist" society from an anarchist one, and an existing ACTUAL capitalist society where governments perform services and fund infrastructure (including Australia and America) from a "communist" society is the only issue here.
Posted by King Hazza, Sunday, 29 May 2011 4:39:38 PM
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You actually posted additional questions in that thread?
Seems you did;

No problem

1,2- if the public voted in a taxpayer subsidized public-owned bus service, they would be volunteering to pay for it and volunteering to ride it. Simple. Of course, catching a bus isn't so 'voluntary' if vehicle access is limited. They are forced by circumstances to take that bus and agree to its conditions. And nobody is being forced NOT to take a private bus.

3- Department executive where the managers are simply paid the same or almost the same salary as the manager of a private bus service. This results in the same attraction of managers and thus the same services provided- with the only costs being expenses and salaries. The only difference is cost (my version being less as profit and calculation of is omitted).

4- See last post about government responsibilities of infrastructure to remote voters. The fact that their money is also going into it would also put them in a position to demand it. The fact that this would suffer under a profit system only proves my case and how your system doesn't work.

5,6 - Because with a public-owned service the public are both funding it AND consuming it themselves and would be able to identify unsatisfactory outcomes from both ends, and with CIR, can vote on it- just like shareholders do.

Afterwards- things I had already answered earlier, provided scenarios to, and you carefully avoided replying to. In fact these questions aren't much different from other ones I posted answers to- which is why talking to your is rather pointless.

Again, the fact that you think I'm a fascist and a communist (strangely enough, in direct response to my advocacy for democracy of all things) doesn't actually bother me because everybody else realizes that these strange perceptions exist only in your head (much in the same way answers to your bizarre accusations never existed).

Have a good day, Runner, I may be the last person on this forum who bothers replying to your messages.
Posted by King Hazza, Sunday, 29 May 2011 5:13:45 PM
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