Ammonite,

Firstly the analogy is incomplete. If everyone else in the pools is increasing their urine output dramatically, and if one had to bear significant pain to reduce slightly (not stop) ones urine output, whilst not personally experiencing any reduction in the urine level, there would be no incentive to inflict the pain on oneself only.

You know Shadow, the religious fervour in your political outlook conceals the fact that on most other topics you are pretty well grounded. You must know it's an irrational outlook. Gillard and Abbott seem to be very similar to me. But seem to be self serving populists who will pretty much say or do anything to get re-elected.