ah nicco, you appear to be cherry picking - if you read the rest of jon's post you see what he's getting at. He was responding to someone else, and you need to read that as well to see the context.

don't just do things like this to win points, it just makes you look desperate and angry and looking for any chance to rant at those who think differently

maybe you are ..

one could always cherry pick your post as well

"Measurements are coming in from xxx xxx farmers leaning on gates"

really, now measurements come from farmers leaning on gates .. wow, real science there huh?

Sense of humour? Notoriously difficult, I know. Please read "farmers leaning on gates" as "agricultural science and food security." And JonJ's statement seems clear enough, and accords with his earlier posts.

It is clear that the issue of a carbon tax has divided Australians in a manner that has rarely happened before. We have to go back to the conscription debate during World War 1 to see such bitterness.The fact is that the world is overpopulated and we are all polluting our planet in one way or another. We have to take steps to fix it. If the carbon tax is wrong then someone must come up with an alternative that will work. Tony Abbott's plan won't fix it and it will cost taxpayers more than the carbon tax. We need a new vision.
Everald

Start by getting on your bike,breath in,through your nose and out through you mouth,repeat until you clear up any blockage,now keep those handlebars straight,Everald the social experiment is over, and those who are on the teat supporting inflation/stagflation or want to expand the government teat or sit on the fence, more than likely want bigger government, if you think that will fix something dream on, how about we survey the conditions of the road network for once as those potholes need repairing. Can we get a decent pavement management system in place before we push for higher taxes. Humor cures some wounds but the facts are in you face.

Everald,

While most people will agree that man induced climate change is occurring, and that a global price on carbon is the most efficient means of doing so, the reality is that:

Australia contributes a tiny portion of the world's emissions, and any savings over a decade will be eclipsed by the increase in China's and India's emissions in a few weeks.

A price on carbon below $40 per ton will not reduce emissions, and at best export the emissions with the manufacturing jobs overseas, while drastically reducing the standard of living of all in Australia.

This point has been made very clearly by the coalition, and it is simple and easy to understand. All the rhetoric coming from the government ignores this simple issue, and unless it addresses it directly, the case for a carbon tax will never gain traction.

SM

>> Australia contributes a tiny portion of the world's emissions, and any savings over a decade will be eclipsed by the increase in China's and India's emissions in a few weeks. <<

Australia is just a little guy in a big pool. Therefore, Aussie can continue to pee because he doesn't urinate the same volumes as the bigger guys. And he should just continue to piss until someone else stops.

Right?