Ian Robinson is a member of the Rationalist Society of Australia.

ON their website under FAQ's, the following:

"What is a rationalist?

A rationalist is a person who accepts the supremacy of reason, and aims at establishing a system of philosophy and ethics independent of arbitrary assumptions and authority."

Due to the limitations of creating a post on this website I will repeat the following in capitals - my intent is not to shout:

AIMS AT ESTABLISHING A SYSTEM OF PHILOSOPHY AND ETHICS INDEPENDENT OF ARBITRARY ASSUMPTIONS AND AUTHORITY.

Ian claims:

"I sometimes think that some members of the homosexual community are playing a game of “Let’s Pretend” – “Let’s pretend we’re heterosexual”: Heterosexual couples have children, so let’s get ourselves a baby. Heterosexual couples get married, so let’s get ourselves married. This seems to me to be at one level a denial of one’s homosexuality, of what makes homosexuality unique. Freedom is not the ability to become like other people, freedom is the ability to become more fully yourself! Isn’t this what “Gay Pride” means. There is no pride in making believe you are just like everyone else.

So by all means find non-discriminatory ways to recognise same-sex relationships but don’t do it at the expense of blurring and obscuring the unique role of sexual reproduction and its social representation in marriage in the continuing social life of our species."

Ian fails the aims of his own organisation by ASSUMING that gays are playing "let's pretend" they are the same as heterosexuals.

1. Not all heterosexuals "are the same".
2. He ASSUMES to know the mind of a section of society.

He places heterosexual marriage as a sacred AUTHORITY that would be "obscured" should gays have the same choice as heterosexuals - to marry or not.

The CEO of the Rationalist Society really needs to have a few words with Ian about thinking rationally.

No rational thinking would ever promote or endorse a lifestyle so prone to disease.

Shocka:“Marriage *isn't* rational. It's symbolism.”

Nah that’s the Wedding I think. Marriage is a contract under the law that secures property and certain rights to the other party and offspring. Don't quote me, I'm still trying to find a proper description of it in the Marriage Act 1961.

It is a complete myth that there are any parallels in nature to homo sexual lifestyle preference. Most people are against gay marriage because homosexual attration is a taught or learnt behaviour.

We don't want people with such religious fervour for their lifestyle foisting their belief systems upon the innocent i.e children derived by scientific methods or adoption for the purpose of appeasing such people.They think they can grow their own gays.

Now is a time that provides more opportunity for the gay lobby to sell it wares than ever before with the introduction of laws supporting their cause. But there is no way I would like to see any child be subjected or exposed any interest group that aspires to grow their obscure community by getting access to children.

These same people demand the right to classify any one that is opposed to there viewpoint, as phobic or morally bereft or mentally ill etc in the eyes of children.

In the absence of these newfound opportunity for self promotion the gay community would sink back to its natural level of .0001 of the society in general.

Elton John who just abandoned his mother for apparently offending his Gay partner has elected to have Lady Gaga as Godmother for a child that is a scientific product made to order,and is already being used to promote the cause. My skin is only crawling because I'm a phobic psychotic apparently.

The secular case against gay marriage is rock solid in my book.
The is no such thing as the gay gene

"Thankfully most younger people accept gays as perfectly normal and can't see what all the fuss is about, change for the better is inevitable"

You think so, Pelican?

First the teaching of the Bible has to be overcome and, more importantly, the teachings of the Qur'an.

Is Mise
Surprisingly even the younger Christians my children associate with have no issue with gay marriage or contraception or women as priests. I cannot comment about Islam as I don't know any young Muslims.

Homosexuality cannot be taught or popularised although I can understand why some might play up or emphasise their homosexual identity. That often happens in any minority group where there has been discrimination and prejudice no matter how politely couched.

It is something I know personally having within my own family a young gay person who I can assure you was not taught to be gay or encouraged to be anything but themselves.