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NSW state election: competing interpretations : Comments

By John Warhurst, published 30/3/2011

Is the Labor defeat in NSW a harbinger of wider change, or a case of a defeat on local issues unconnected to the national Labor brand?

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NSW Labor has had an influence on Federal Labor - hence the outcome of the last Federal election. For people looking on from darkest NSW, the general feeling was "What were the Federal ALP thinking to listen to anything coming out of NSW Labor?" They are electoral poison and have been for some time. Federal ALP needs to run away and jettison tainted persons like Mark Arbib from NSW.
NSW Labor will go nowhere until they clean out the likes of Eddie Obeid and Noreen Hay. Apart from the general bad behaviour and in some cases outright corruption, NSW Labor has been engaged in influence-peddling on a grand scale, to the point where party apparatchiks and family members were rewarded with political positions or senior public service positions. Anyone with integrity in NSW Labor - such as Graham West former member for Campbelltown - had long since left, on the basis that they had a better chance of pursuing social justice issues outside of ALP politics than within it.
How can anyone in NSW forget that we had - not that long ago - a completely incompetent health minister Reba Meagher who was basically rewarded with a ministerial position because she was a friend/ex-girlfriend of Joe Tripodi? Labor (just barely) managed to retain her former seat of Cabramatta against a 26.9% swing. Where the big swings against the ALP have been, you generally don't have to look very far for the corruption and bad behaviour. As someone wrote today in the SMH, watching the NSW ALP government has been like watching the Big Brother house...NSW voters have not only resoundingly rejected NSW Labor, but have also endorsed Barry O'Farrell's Coalition - while the Greens managed to hold onto their votes, they made virtually no gains, while this election was a wipe-out for the ALP. As Luke Foley said on election night, in NSW there is no Labor heartland any more - it's gone. And NSW Labor still have their heads in the sand about the white-hot voter anger...
Posted by Johnj, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 7:21:26 PM
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In the near future, I expect to see the old Labor Party split. Those right of centre may remain with this remnant of the old party, while those left of centre could join the Greens, or some may......

Join a new party formed by Malcolm Turnbull and his buddies, right wing but with just a tinge of green around the edges.

The leftovers of the Liberals might merge with the right of the old Labor Party, as they already have so much in common.

As for the Greens, in time they might split into the Pale Greens, and the Dark Greens.

The Nationals ...... will be a vanished species, so we don't need to worry about them.

I would also expect to see more Independents of all shades, and more small parties (see first four paras).

What do others think? Like to try a forecast?
Posted by brennie, Wednesday, 30 March 2011 8:17:03 PM
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John Warhurst has made a good, politically-correct observation, but a little too broad-brush for me. I prefer a more direct attribution of cause and effect, for I believe our Federal Labor Government is more than a little to blame for NSW Labor's demise (for which we are all of course truly thankful nonetheless), for not only is Federal Labor guilty of the same sort of antics and mismanagement as has been demonstrated by NSW, but they are persisting in the same vein, and with the same set of encumbrances - and with not the least intention to reform. To add insult to injury, Ms Gillard insists on blaming the former Howard government for the Labor states' mismanagement of Health, Education and Transport. How rich can you get! The common folk of NSW have reflected their disgust with the great "Education Revolution" debacle, the pink batts fiasco, the destruction of alternative energy initiatives, the Murray Darling disaster, and the push for a carbon tax and ETS which no-one wants, and which is really only a tax-grab, as is the grab for super profits. Wayne takes credit for keeping us from recession, but actually the mining sector did, and now he wants to punish them and all of us for their good work.
No-one can trust Labor, State or Federal, or Garnaut for that matter, for we non-skeptics believe greater scientists and greater Statesmen than they are. The Greens also took a hit - look no further than the mess in Canberra!
Posted by Saltpetre, Thursday, 31 March 2011 5:32:01 AM
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Amicus
No need to correct me, its Patrice Pandeleos Liberal candidate for Heffron. Who is Pendelos, maybe he's your local fruit shop owner. Nothing like a fool who makes smart comments like:

It's Pendelos .. so if you were asking, who is Pandelious, of course they would say "Pan who?"

No wonder the Greens did so well !

You would know Amicus!
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 31 March 2011 7:13:31 AM
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This issue has gone really quiet here, but I think it should have a bit more life - in messages for Canberra from this NSW election, and on the burning question of whether Tony Abbott has a good chance to unseat Julia, even given her rather lack-lustre performance in recent times:- or if anyone can suggest a better choice to lead the Libs to victory?
Maybe someone actually wants Julia to stay on indefinitely? Shame!
And no-one's said a peep about John Robertson as NSW Oppsn Ldr - ex Sussex Street insider, ouster of Iemma - shame!
I'm not an admirer of Malcolm Turnbull, not since his "We need to be a Republic" days, and still think he's too "cool" - not enough a man of the people; and Abbott too much of a man of the people.
As for The Greens, I'm surprised at brennie's comment that: "The Nationals ...... will be a vanished species, so we don't need to worry about them."
I can't help worrying about The Greens, even though I'm a bit of an environmentalist myself. It's Bob Brown's agenda in recent times that worries me. He was a great activist for Tasmania's environmental heritage in Gordon on Franklin, but recent destruction of Tassie's ancient forests hasn't raised a peep! Anyone see what's happening to bees? - Our pollinators. Tassie is last clean refuge, and last hope!
Finally, no bites on my contention that antics in Canberra had a significant impact on the NSW election - particularly the turning away from The Greens as a protest, as has been a practice in the past.
Posted by Saltpetre, Saturday, 2 April 2011 12:46:01 AM
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saltpetre, the greens have had a campaign concerning the reduction in bee numbers for some time - see christine milne's website at http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/greens-welcome-reconsideration-potential-eradicate-asian-honey-bee

you'll find plenty about logging in tassie at http://christine-milne.greensmps.org.au/content/media-release/pulp-mill-not-viable-gunns-must-answer-key-questions

these two campaigns also get a lot of mention on the main australian greens site, bob brown's web site and, of course, the website of the tasmanian greens.

may i suggest you inform yourself before you make up your mind about the greens.
Posted by brennie, Saturday, 2 April 2011 7:41:29 AM
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