Interesting, that the current folks who claim to be representative of youth, have already declared that a rally of 8,000 people organized by an activist organization, "beats" another rally organized by locals in the PM's electorate.

Then based on that "win", the NSW government led by Liberals, which hasn't even gone to the vote yet, "must" do this and that and some other, because of this win.

If the Liberals win in NSW, then I would suggest they will do what their constituents want, being representatives of those constituents.

Activist group hugs do not constitute a replacement for democracy, thankfully.

Saying they must not hitch themselves to a losing side, putting aside the usual alarmist youth club insult to other Australians, the Liberals will have won in NSW regardless of Your Climate Club demands or otherwise.

Good on you for being politically and environmentally active, but please don't try to pass fast footed BS off as reasoning for your cause.

Yes, you're young, and that's fun isn't it, but please consider that on our way to getting older, we have actually not forgotten anything or become more stupid with age. Many of us run businesses and families and have traveled extensively.

We have also had the opportunity to make many decisions in life and to watch other people's decisions. The people we have watched who get involved in trying to promote their ideas to other people or even force their ideas on them, and worse, try to use crappy logic to get their own way, sometimes end up looking like spoiled brats .. I don't know why this always occurs to me reading articles from your club .. it just seems to be immature demands for getting your own way, because you're young, you care and we're old and apparently do not care (?) and for some reason are considered stupid.

Could I offer a suggestion, if you want to convince people of your argument's value .. stop insulting them as you do, calling people deniers, when over 50% of Australians apparently fit this position, is a losing strategy.

So no criticism of the ALP government that has had power in NSW for so many years during their stewardship, but the moment it looks like conservatives might gain power you feel it's time for some threats and a beatup, before the result of the election is even in.

"They want and expect to be delivered into the 21st century – a low carbon economy, green jobs and a world class public transport system."

Really, the NSW people want a low carbon economy? Do they know that? I thought they wanted some infrastructure and a government that delivers services, not lectures on why they shouldn't.

Has a low carbon economy been mentioned at all? I think you made that up, it's what you want and you're probably one of the only ones who thinks they know what that actually is.

"needs to learn this quickly if he wants to ensure his political survival" Gosh, are you and getup going to do something?

"needs to unhitch his wagon etc etc" so, like the ALP have been doing? oh ..

"first test will be ensuring that NSW stays ahead of the curve in Australia’s transition to a low-carbon economy" that sounds like your goal rather than the NSW Libs?

"he must face up to unless he wants to tie his political future to an out-dated and losing side" really, losing side, that would be the ALP wouldn't it?

Sorry, this is just sounding like an immature rant of demands by someone, or organization who can't deal with the facts and appears used to getting their own way, tantrum, that's the word..

I suspect the Liberals in NSW is going to thwart a lot of plans, hence the spray of threats if things aren't done the way of certain ideologically biased people.

Should be interesting once Australia has wall to wall conservative governments in the states, to offset the getupindigreenalps party

Do I smell "panic" from the warmetartiat?

It's amazing what free ice cream at youth rallies and free air tickets to international conferences for youth group leaders can achieve. The Pied Piper of Hamelin comes to mind.
3000 protesters of all ages paid their own fares and took time out to attend the Canberra "No carbon tax" rally on the 23rd of March 2011. Their primary objection was being misled at the last Federal election. In response, our Prime Minister, supposedly an an athiest, attended the church of the modern day crucifix (wind farm). Labor MP's whose job it is to obfuscate natural climate change, with the contentious and unproven man-made climate change ramped up the name calling with "extremists" and "ratbags".
The climate/carbon scam should have ended with "climategate" and the failure at Copenhagen. The draft treaty exposed the motives of the UN. Phil Jones's admissions and the numerous IPCC scandals which followed exposed the scientific fraud for all to see.
It will be interesting to hear what if anything, Barry O'Farrell has to say to the thousands who will attend the next "No Carbon Tax" protest at Hyde Park, Sydney on the 2nd of April.

As soon as I heard that Barry O'Farrell was not supportive of a carbon tax he lost my vote.
If O'Farrell cannot respond in a rational manner to the climate change problem how can I reasonably expect him to behave rationally on any problem that is brought to his attention? Likewise for anybody that professes to be informed about climate change but thinks we should do nothing.
Oh and by the way I am hardly from the young generation being over 50. My experience has shown me that many people are resistant to change, that corporations with vested interests act to try to keep the old way going for as long as possible and are happy to fund others to spread uncertainty. Over time facts and common sense win out but the problem is how long that process takes.

Unlike many politicians (including Malcolm Turnbull) who prefer to believe the anthropogenic global warming dogma, and thus bury their head in the sand, Barry O'Farrell is rationbal enough to oppose the carbon tax.

BOF recognises that it will only benefit the vested interests, such as Origin Energy and AGL, who need the tax to penalise coal-fired electricity generation, so that they can invest in socalled renewable energies, wind-driven and solar-driven energies that are respectively five times and at least ten times more costly than coal-fired energy.
Everyone else in the economy will be made worse off.

I suspect that Barry O'Farrell has a lot more urgent stuff to worry about, starting Monday, than "dreaming big" about climate change.

Trevor Sykes (Pierpont) has a neat essay in today's Fin Review, in which he describes the realities of power generation in NSW.

http://afr.com/p/national/politics/pierpont_returns_Hfc25DvSB0D2gySEidsEDO

(It's behind the paywall. But worth the inconvenience of signing up for the 14 days free trial)

He starts by outlining the problem.

"Back in February, Sydney had a few hot days and survived blackouts only by running all its power stations flat out and importing every spare watt from Victoria and Queensland at astronomical prices."

Astronomical? Spot prices on February 1 and 2 reached $12,000/MWh, Pierpont tells us.

It's like the dams. We haven't built a decent-sized power station since Mt Piper in 1993, and are then surprised when - hey, there's not enough to go around.

The next few years will be about rebuilding the infrastructure in NSW. And I can't see too much scope, frankly, for economically disastrous green projects.

Maybe when the Greens are in the majority, who knows.

By which time, I'll either be pushing up daisies, or on a beach in the Caribbean.

Raycom.
It is amusing but sad that you have got things 100% around the wrong way. If every respected scientific body around the world is consistently issuing a warning then those that ignore it are the ones "burying their head in the sand", not those that are actually listening and taking measures. Kindergarten stuff.
Your estimates of renewable costs are way off the mark, 5 times and 10 times more expensive - you make that claim where is your evidence? Put up or shut up. Wind and solar are cheaper now if you take into account the full cost of fossil fuel power (pollution, damage to environment etc), but even with old school economics will soon be cheaper thanks to technology improvements - a process that will be speeded up with the carbon tax.
Pericles.
So we are running out of power and we have climate change caused by fossil fuel burning. Your solution - I know lets build some more fossil fuel power stations! Hardly a solution benefitting a smart country ........ Have another think.

Ramya, telling the truth, as Abbott does, is not a fear campaign.

Telling lies, as Juliar does, and talking alarmist nonsense, as our pompous clown Ross Garnaut does, is running a fear campaign, which, if you look at the polls has ceased to fool the Australian public. Admittedly there are still 47% of them fooled by alarmist nonsense, but our poll driven politicians will inevitably fall into line when the majority of the citizens sustain going with the truth, and resisting alarmist lies, about the AGW fraud.

It makes no sense to aim for a low carbon economy. Carbon is the basis of all life on Earth. The “carbon pollution” lie is the most contemptible lie of the alarmists.

We have abundant coal and it is the cheapest energy. The benefits of carbon dioxide should be promoted. We have only 388 ppm of this beneficial gas in our atmosphere. We need a minimum of 500 ppm to boost the benefit to plant life and to the crops which supply so much of our sustenance.

Coal burning contributes a pitifully small amount of carbon dioxide to Nature’s great life sustaining carbon cycle, but every little helps.

Stop being fooled, Ramya, by the IPCC and Juliar, with alarmist lies.

Rich2, fortunately your vote will not be missed. You are one of the minority fooled by the lies upon which the AGW myth is supported. Did you not even read the Climategate emails?

Climatebullying, that schoolyard body slam, and scientists behaving badly:

Silently, by omission, allowing gross population growth by immigration and baby bonuses, while telling everyone but themselves to lower their energy usage. By the Second law of thermodynamics that means "lower YOUR order, intelligence and joie de vivre" Er, but not theirs'. They are a special class. They are scientists whose sexual libido too long has been binned with the nerd fraternity. Now is their main chance.

But that schizophrenia that mental illness related to ignoring the TRUTH about life on this planet doesn't worry climate scientists. The more they beg us to lower our standard of living, the more they threaten us to get a climate Carbon Tax insurance, the more power they have and the more money they get and the more energy THEY use to satisfy those shrunken Libidos.

Its a Syndrome and it will end in climate fights.

Once confined to the odd seminar and multi media grabs, eventually a critical population mass will lead to an audience of billions. Then they will still say we are producing too much CO2, living in our cardboard boxes shoulder to shoulder with vicious feminists and their ever growing broods of CO2 and garbage producing lawless kids. This will have severe ramifications for all climate submissives involved. It will engender great power, freedom to use any amount of energy and great profit for the climate bullies.

But with all Scizophrenics eventually the TRUTH wll confront the bullies' lies and destroy their souls in that 'Vat Haf I done' moment. The only winners will be.....?

Just Guess!

The only way to insure against 'possible' climate disasters is to solve overpopulation issues with world wide laws that have teeth. Taxing Carbon pollution is like bailing a rapidly sinking Titanic with a pail, as the 'SS Free Market Enterprise' sails past laughing its smoke stacks off..

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Rich 2, regardless of whether the Australian Government and other politicians have their head in the sand or are mesmerised by Ross Garnaut's dire predictions , one hopes that they will wake up soon and at least observe what the renewable energy experience has been overseas.

The following articles ( at the web links shown) report on European experience and the United States' fantasies with renewable energy:

Germany's Renewable Energy 'Madness' and its Lessons for America
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.8478/pub_detail.asp

Wind and Solar Subsidies Drying Up In Europe

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/34596

The entire case for AGW - shorthand for "The population of the world faces catastrophic man-made global warming which policy can improve" comes down to this:
"The government says so."

"We are the victims of an age when men of science are discredited ---- . Our philosophers spend all their time in mixing true with false and are interested in nothing but outward show; such little learning as they have they extend on material ends.”

Is this statement a press release on behalf of all the world’s Academies of science, its bureaus of meteorology; from those geoscientists taking atmospheric and oceanic observations and then collating the data?

It might very well be, but it’s actual attribution is to a mathematician and astronomer who lived and worked between thirty and forty human generations ago.

“What fools these mortals be” is another apposite quote, again from way back. Modern society is more technological - but philosophically unchanged; alas, apparently unchanging.

We have similar philosophers. What else to call people, of education or otherwise, who can compare carbon-dioxide to a fertiliser and say or infer “the more of it the better” - when any farmer knows that an excess of nitrogenous (or any other) fertiliser is poisonous to his crop. What sloppy philosophizing to encourage naïve people to believe that “carbon-dioxide has been at much greater concentration in the past, and life thrived”; when those concentrations were associated with, and only compatible with, vastly different life forms from Homo sapiens, and were associated with mass extinctions of non-adaptable species.

Woven into the discussion of taxes on carbon are the men of science, and the philosophers who continue to tax human credibility - as always