VK3AUU

'Surely, the enormous loss of life in Japan gives the lie to the idea that God is loving, just and merciful, and in fact really calls into question, the existence of God, at least in the way that you do.

Well actually the fact that you, me and thousands of others are eating , breathing and living demonstrates how much mercy and grace God actually has.

btw the number of unborn that the ungodly kill every year in this nation fr outweighs the Japanese tragedy.

Runner,
as with VK3AUU I also strongly agree with you that religion is dangerous.

Though there are religions, I could argue, more dangerous than the greens, my problem is that judging the most dangerous religion requires moral relativism.

A second reservation is: the greens make no claim of being a religion (that I've found) and all the green supporters I've met thought they were acting politically.

So I'm confused about the validity of religious belief when its adherents are ignorant.

WmTrevor
'So I'm confused about the validity of religious belief when its adherents are ignorant.

clearly those of Green faith have a set of beliefs (based on pseudo science) that they adhere to. From the absurd claim of a big bang to the man made warming fantasy it is all based on dogma with no scientific (as science demands) basis. In other words the dogma and philosophy of the Greens is based on false assumption and is faith based. At least Christians are honest enough to declare that their beliefs are faith based unlike the godless secularist whose beliefs are even more faith based.

" the number of unborn that the ungodly kill every year in this nation fr outweighs the Japanese tragedy."

@ runner, Friday, 25 Mar, 10:50:17am

With 300,000 births per year, and about 40% of conceptions 'spontaneously' miscarrying ('spontaneously' aborting) - many so early they do not increase the menstrual cycle - that is about 120,000 'spontaneous' abortions that die due to God's design: i.e. more than killed by the "ungodly".

Runner,

"Moses" ordered the killing of civilian children and the taking of young virgins by soliers for their own purposes, against the custom of the time.

If this is true (please, tell me your "bible" lies on this point) then your single greatest prophet is abhorrent as is his religion.

I believe that biblical literalism is no basis for deciding anything, beyond the unfitness of the literal believer to be an adult in our society.

"greens" however believe that polluting the world you believe "god" made is bad. But you believe such pollution is good.

I used to live with pigs of humans who never cleaned after themselves, your views remind me of them.

Religious pigs, why tolerate them any more?

Rusty

Runner, appreciated your response, thank you.
It never occurred to me to think as you do… to regard as a religion a group in society which is dogmatic, even when its adherents don't believe themselves to be religious. My presupposition has always been that an inherent characteristic of a religion is that its followers believe it to be one.

My concern is that labelling any dogma, doctrine or 'set of rules' followed by people as a religion permits, for example, putting Scouting in the same category as the religion which you hold as true. Somehow this seems to me to diminish the idea of what religion is in our society and risks losing religions their privileged status.

The article and comments show how impossible it is to even hope for political consensus or religious agreement even in a country as benign as Australia.

Maybe the best we can do is peacefully agree to disagree with others who we know are wrong, even though they don't.

In my opinion, all people in society need to constantly work hard at trying to make life better for everybody - or that society risks implosion or abandonment.

To repeat, I strongly agree with the point you made about religion but still question the example. You have not convinced me but I will think more on this.