Curmudgeon (Mark Lawson): of course there is natural variability, always was and always will. What most 'sceptics' don't seem to understand is that natural variability is now masked by an anthropogenic component.

See the book referred to Jennifer, also on sale now. Most informative.

Jeremy -- here are 850. Take your pick.

http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-reviewed-papers-supporting.html

The world has got to get of oil. Polluters will pay. If you are a polluter you will pay tax. Not everyone is a polluter. The lifestyle junkies can be polluters.
I don,t know where you get your theories from. It will be months before the final model is worked out.

Interesting Jon J. So is this:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/news.php?n=571&p=12

especially the update (Feb 18) at the bottom.

it is sad how many have drunk the coolaid
its as if the forget the 'hole in the ozone-layer' scam
that was run on us all in the early 90's?...

recall the adverts ..of parched deserts
etc and all we needed to do was stop using hydrocarbons
[or cfc's]..or whatever

the thing is they really want a new tax
not on hydrocarbons or cfc's or methane
or any of the OTHER 'greenhouse gasses'
just a tax on carbon

just a tax for a few years
to set a base price..
then gift the carbon traders with their latest commodity
[iits perfect..a cap that reduces annually..[limiting supply]
and guess who corners the carbon market

how much we will pay
will be in the hands of the same people
who speculate on food and oil futures..[little wonder there are so many accountants in on this scam]...doing it today will be cheaper...lol

carbon price dont fix any problem
if there really is a problem

but we ben here before
notice italy[broke]..is ending subsidy on solar Sells
its failed every where its been tried...[spain is bust ..england who went big on wind..found it had to buy elect from france..this last COLD winter..cause wind hates cold weather..lol

anyhow its a scam
run by a lobby that has plenty of cash
and wants to make bucket loads more ...by trading carbon

If you consider that CO2, which animals breathe out and plants use to form their structure, is pollution then the 'big polluters' as Bob Brown puts it are actually animal and plant kingdom.

Putting that aside, how can you have a tax which rebates everyone?- its just a ludicrous lie from Labor. If people get 'rebated' then they will have no incentive to save energy!

Now hear this - the average Joe will pay through the nose and most of the population will not receive any reasonable rebate. Industry will not suffer because the job losses so incurred would be untenable for the Labor Party and the Unions, unless they are completely insane. The 'big polluters' will pay little.

All in all it will not change the temperature of the earth one millionth of a degree - though climate science may be again tempted to manipulate its figures to 'prove' how effective the tax is and keep the money rolling in.