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There are drugs at the bottom of your garden : Comments

By David Leyonhjelm and Roy Ellery, published 10/3/2011

A proposal to schedule thousands of common garden plants as prohibited drugs could turn ordinary gardeners into criminals.

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Another example of legislation being drafted by people who do not accept responsiblity for the results of their actions... and probably don't care as well. Any means to justify the ends
Posted by Aspley, Thursday, 10 March 2011 10:52:46 AM
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What else would you expect from a bunch of thugs?
That's what the government is. Period. Their only "legitimacy" is having the armed police force under their command and they have just one purpose in life: to show us who's the boss.

I personally detest drugs, never used any, never even considered, but if you allow the government to get at the throats of others for what's dear to them, don't cry fie when tomorrow they get at your own throat for what's dear to you.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Thursday, 10 March 2011 11:11:42 AM
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Civil disobedience is the only way to respond. Law shmaw!
Posted by bitey, Thursday, 10 March 2011 12:03:31 PM
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Civil disobedience is for mugs; it gives the State another licence to persecute you in the name of Laura Norder. More effective alternatives are:

(1) Teach defendants not only to defend themselves but also to make counterclaims which, if successful, would have unacceptable consequences for the State, and not to break off the counterattack until the State breaks off the original attack (see my comment above, and http://is.gd/dr8vL). When governments know that prosecutions involve the risk of counterclaims, they won't prosecute without a very good reason. That's as it should be.

(2) Teach prospective jurors of their power to acquit in the teeth of the "law" and the facts (cf. http://is.gd/5VcX86 and http://bit.ly/97kFUt).

When governments know that they can't make or propose outrageous laws without giving oxygen to proponents of (1) and (2), governments will be more reluctant to make or propose outrageous laws. That too is as it should be.
Posted by grputland, Thursday, 10 March 2011 2:33:36 PM
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Drugs cost the tax payer. If you want to use drugs, never use rehab, that costs the tax payer. If you want to use drugs make sure they kill you, that is far cheaper for the tax payer.
Posted by 579, Thursday, 10 March 2011 4:02:00 PM
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This does sound almost too bizarre. It is not as though there are hordes of cacti drug cartels or a plethora of datura bong fests that would have caused a blip on the law enforcement/health policy radar. What on earth precipitated this proposal?

BUT wait for it....in fact it is too bizarre to be true:

"But a spokesman from the Attorney-General’s Department said claims that backyard plants would be banned or their growers prosecuted were “simply not true”.

http://preston-leader.whereilive.com.au/news/story/weeding-out-criminals/

But wait...there's more:

http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/agd.nsf/Page/Consultationsreformsandreviews_ConsultationonimplementationofmodeldrugschedulesforCommonwealthseriousdrugoffences?open&query=plants

Plants and fungi are on the list for potential banned substances but I will wait and see what the submissions and outcomes are before going out and pulling up the daisies.
Posted by pelican, Thursday, 10 March 2011 4:15:40 PM
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