The whole global warming religious hysteria makes me think we've disappeared down a time warp and come up back in the middle ages. Next we'll have public parades of self-flagellation. The carbon tax is just a re-run of the selling of indulgences and worship of our holy mother the church all over again. It is fully thirteen layers deep in fallacy and fraud.

i had the same feeling last light[re a timewarp]
tim flannelry was on abc..[it was a lengthy re-run from 2005]
it was a clasic..[more huricanes etc]

bushe howard right wing deniers
[oops sorry he called them idiots]

he was saying how great uk was
[while they were spending billions on the windmills that didnt work]

didnt mention that because the windmills didnt work..
last winter
it had to BUY its power ..from france..

this a few months ago
proving his 6 years ago paranoia
and the sky is falling abosolutly inept

it was so like buying indulgances
[noting the scam[sorry sceme] previously linked
as working ...was only about selling permits to polute

this set a level [guide] for real carbon market pricing
to wit ''$789 million""..[for ten states]

we with less than 7
withy far less people
should be looking at relitive value
thus limit any price on carbon to under 500 million

to wit no where near
even one billion

no one seems to be talking about how much
a 26 dollar tax will raise as opposed to the proposed 46$ carbon ton

i recall one of the proponants said a 7 cents surcharge on just elercticity would equate to the total nbn expenditure
as income value..every year

[so we are talijng about huge tax takes]
huge cash cows

maybe we should just
put the tax on exports
of polutants

its sad to see the petty straw grasping
almost as sad as seeing juliar in usa
visiting murderoc and obamma
and addresing con-gress..[staffers]

[the 3rd aussie pm..to do so]
in a row..it must be the latest carrot dangle
[reward ...for pavloves dogs]

[recall what happend
after rudd and howard done the same]

We need to get our dependence on oil fixed. How else is it going to happen with out incentive. To clean the country up will be better for all. There may be benefits that have not been realized as yet. Get coal fired boilers on gas, this will be a major breakthrough in pollution.
Oil one day will deplete, so to be prepared sooner rather than later is all good.

a597, sure totally agree with you on the need to break our dependence on oil .. but how does taxing one part of the community, compensating another, send 10% of the take to the UN do that? The rest will go to ALP schemes to prop up marginal electorates and fund the massive and soon to be bigger, Dept of Climate Change.

If the government was going to plow all the tax into R&D, wild schemes to find and develop new energy sources, I could go along with that .. as long as all the money being given to climate science went with it .. they have done their job, scared the populace and the pollies.

Now it's time to move to the next phase .. nuclear power to get rid of coal, and find new energy sources to replace oil .. picking false winners like geothermal doesn't work unless you are on a tectonic plate edge .. so that won't work for Australia. Solar and wind will never be base load and are quaint at best.

meanwhile you all the carpetbaggers have a place at the trough of government money

it's yet more waste of our funds, we have no idea what the government is doing, yet again we find they have no plan beyond stopping progress .. the Greens win again, because that's their objective

im sick of the spin

black/swan wants ""australia to not fall behind""
last i heard we were ahead of our 5 percent
[two party aGREED]...target

this point was also raised
on meet_the_press
http://ten.com.au/media/MTP_06_03_2011.doc

""SIMON BENSON Mr Wolpe,..the goal is essentially to reduce emissions...and not to create new subsidised economies.""

we could hope so
but would be disappointed

""I would’ve thought that was the ultimate goal.""

yes me too
thats how its sold

BUT

""The US is claiming that its target
capping emissions is 17% by 2020,..
and that’s without*..an ETS.

""In Australia..we're looking at 5% reduction
and that’s with an ETS.

How do you explain that discrepancy?

Is it folly for Australia
to be going down this path alone?

BRUCE WOLPE:Well,..no,
there are different bases involved""..

yes we get a tax..
to support a base-line..price for carbon
then unlimited carbon traitering
priced to an ever smaller carbon-cap

..""but ultimately I think
the goals are relatively consistent.""..

yea me too..but WHO'S goals?
pay as much..as the speculaters can speculate
a..limited carbon-credit/market price* into

""I think leadership is leadership"".

""I think when people see a compelling problem
and they see strong leaders..step up to address it,..they admire it.

""Ultimately over time–you know,
we can talk about science..and where it is for centuries,
Galileo,..we can talk about the Scopes trial in Tennessee,about whether evolution is correct.

The science of global warming cannot be denied
over time"""..

AVOI-DANCE?

"""and that means
you have to deal with it.""

you as in the CON-sumer
YOU deal with it..'over-time'

""How do you deal with it,
OK,..?*?*?

""but I think it is imperative
that we move forward..?
because it’s all our futures together.""

OUR
CARBON FUTURES?

ok..lets get this bit straight
the_evolution_trial
was about NOT..teaching the bible..in a science class

IT DID NOT DECIDE
NOR JUDGE EVOLUTION
as being ..either true ..or faulse

it was purely about science
being taught
..in science class

i gotta tell you
DOING NOTHING ..IS PREFERABLE
to this spin... lies and garbage

WE ARE MEETING
the current caps
why we need ...any new_tax?

ol sawnnie said

a carbon 'price' [not tax impost-cost]
is important..

because...
''so business drives investment''
[with govt subsidy]

also GALLING was this redirection
re if its out of our paypacket..or not

i dont know about you
but my pay goes in the bank
the bills i pay come out of the bank

*EVERYTHING i pay..COMES FROM MY PAY PACKET*

[this is just another EXCUSE
not to mention the war
[oops sorry..the *NEW BIG TAX}

swan EVEN SAID
he is in lockstep with howard
he even quoted the old how hard blow hard
[just as kevies tax was the same as howards tax..is the same as julias tax]

swannie even said ''we went to election with a carbon price'
[yet when its quoted by tqwo faced tony..julia spins her bile]

swannie even said
he will work with anyone
[supporting taxing the people]
who have the REQUIRED..'goodwill'[to a new tax sceme

listen
the globe is in ressesion
we arnt..[yet]

much of the ressesion countries
went big on going green..went big on trading carbon..selling carbon

the ressesion got them
we plan to follow where they lead

we havnt got a number
why not?

""BRUCE WOLPE:..It is going to be applied
to major sources of pollution,power plants,
major industrial sources..and it will help abate carbon..""

it will target ONE greenhouse-GAS

""BRUCE WOLPE:Direct action,
in my judgement,..is simply not sufficient.""

""you need a price on carbon
in order to get renewables
and other alternative energy sources viable.""

BY increasing prices beyond market prices with a tax

why?
""These market mechanisms..*need to work.""

""Clean energy jobs can be created,
new industries and new wealth*""

thats about the size of it.

""JENNIFER HEWETT:But that sounds like…
BRUCE WOLPE:..Ultimately,*it will be done.
JENNIFER HEWETT:..That sounds like a direct action plan,
a little more similar to what Tony Abbott is trying to put in place here.""

yes it is jenny

two parties
one solution
tax you