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By Sam Vaknin, published 14/2/2011Without a history of democracy Egypt will struggle post Mubarak, but what is democracy anyway.
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Posted by byork, Monday, 14 February 2011 7:51:13 AM
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democracy is where 51 percent
lord it over 49 percent its still the same 15 percent running things they only need to bluff the other 34%...one group at a time thus they go visit clubs..buy votes build stadia...sponcer local sports clubs to man the booths unless they get diebold voting machines that do the numbers for them its not the elected who run things its the public servants ..and those who own the two parties [and the media]..if you got no fere speach..ie no voice..you vote still dont count look at palistein they voted for who was serving them but then ...well we all know what happend there or iraq..or belgem..its time to go the way of finland jail those doing the ripoffs elect an elect who see their duty to serve all not just the party machinations..that result in faux demonic autocracies demon de-moc-race de moc crazy make autocrats chose betwen money OR power we had enough of both lets write.. a constitution where govt serves the people..not the elites serves the basics ..*to all...not just the corperate power brokers or multinationals and multi pasport holders tax every penny ,..that leaves the cuntry ..at 50 percent tax every transaction* ..to subsidise the basics ..for the poor free education ..free assosiation free-will free health good food good air good water that we do ..to the least ..we do to god Posted by one under god, Monday, 14 February 2011 10:39:07 AM
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Ummmm.... 4 pages of reading..(part of my valuable LIFE) ..and not a hint of a 'solution'.
Ok.. some takes. GLENN BECK (Fox News) "This is the beginning of the insurrection, the Muslim brotherhood and the Socialist/communists working together to establish a Calipate/Marxist-Socialist outcome. This will spread to other Western linked Arab countries. Strategic issues re the passage of oil etc.. Straits Hormuz, Suez. ME. While Beck is 'close'... I think he missed out on one important factor. "Egyptian Military" As we now see, the only viable force in Egypt in the immediate is..the Army to hold things together while the dumb civvies sort themselves out. I agree with Beck to the extent that his basic facts are true, he just did not give sufficient weight to the Armed forces keeping a lid on it and also keeping the real power.(and benefit) INTERIM. Once the Army stabilizes the situation and Mubarak is gone... the other parties will be very energetically active in trying to gain a better position of access to power. BARRIERS. Will of course be the Generals, who undoubtedly benefit greatly from being who they are and their connection with the 'throne'. Will they allow a bunch of Commies and Islamofascists to threaten that ? I think the best we can realistically predict is that the military will either a) Retain control indefintitely. b) Allow some representative groups to 'look' like they have power through democractic elections, but still retain the benefits and trappings of ultimate power. Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Monday, 14 February 2011 11:01:43 AM
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Are you sure about that, Boaz?
>>GLENN BECK (Fox News) "This is the beginning of the insurrection, the Muslim brotherhood and the Socialist/communists working together to establish a Calipate/Marxist-Socialist outcome. This will spread to other Western linked Arab countries.<< I think you may find that came straight from the famous GlennBeck Conspiracy Generator. http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-glenn-beck-conspiracy.htm Here's one from the same source: "It's time we ask ourselves why Hollywood liberals want to create a One World Government that will dismantle our military and enable Islamic terrorists to colonize America without resistance." and another... "Liberal neo-monarchists pose a clear and present danger to the republic because they have a secret plan to turn us all into communist slaves, which, as you know, is what Mao was trying to do when he bombed Pearl Harbor." ...but this is my favourite: "Hollywood elites and their arugula-eating disciples are operating a secret shadow government whose real agenda is to molest your kitten. And you know who else tried to do that? Hitler." Give it a spin. It's fun, and instructive! Posted by Pericles, Monday, 14 February 2011 1:32:27 PM
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Mr El Baradei doesn't appear to be representing but very small segment of the Egyptian society. Not sure why many channels are interviewing and quoting him?
Posted by Fellow_Human, Monday, 14 February 2011 7:24:47 PM
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Fellow_Human wrote:
>>Mr El Baradei doesn't appear to be representing but very small segment of the Egyptian society. Not sure why many channels are interviewing and quoting him?>> I think it’s because the news channels that quote him want to believe that whatever regime emerges in Egypt will be made up of people like El Baradei. And I want to believe I’ll win the lottery. Posted by stevenlmeyer, Monday, 14 February 2011 10:26:54 PM
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The author disparages the people around the world who have struggled and acheived democracy, to one degree or another. Demcoracy by its nature is never perfect - but it's far superior to autocracy and fascistic rule. Just ask the Iraqis whether they want Saddam back.
First Saddam, then Ben Ali, then Mubarak...
If the Egyptian revolution fails to achieve free and fair elections, then it's back to the streets for the people. I doubt that this will be necessary but, either way, history will continue to pass Sam Vaknin by.