funny there's mention of human rights but the issue of abortion is never mentioned, as if didn't matter.

abortion is today's equivalent of slavery and until most people wake up to the simple fact that mass murder is being committed every day for the sake of 'choice' (convenience) and 'sustainable' population, we will be a most hypocritical society and have all sorts of other evils follow, like a replacement of the current generation to maintain a tax base for the upkeep of the pension.

Much wisdom expressed

What will our grandchildren know

Of us from their world?

A curious article from an ethicist. I don't have the problems that Shrode has with abortion - unless government agencies do mass sterilisation programs that they did in India and Africa in the 50s and 60s.

First of all the too many people proposition is laughable. Look at the growth curves beyond 2050 - they go down. Japan's pop is nose diving. Australia's pop is growing only though migration.

The anti-pops believe humans have the agency of rabbits. We're just big eared carrot eaters. No sense of future, no sense of past, no intelligence, no technology. Just rabbits. We're doomed, doomed, doomed.

Get out of here. Let me help the anti-pops because they really need a hand what with Dick Smith and falling off the media agenda.

Focus on one nation - not the whole world. Don't extrapolate that what is happening in one country is happening across the world. Look on the consumption side of the equation in the first world. Here you are on stronger ground. Look at fish stocks.

Oh yeah, I note the writer has already written on euthenasia. Is death or non procreation the only solutions the anti-pops have?

Great stuff.

The trouble is is that we are an unconscious "Civilization" which at its root is about the drive to gain power and control over every one and every thing - a vast pattern patterning driven by the momentum of over three millenia of patriarchal HIS-story.

The inevitable end result of the power drive of HIS-story was dramatically pictured in the recent Avatar film.

The techno-barbarian invaders, having already "created" a dying planet (just like us) were compelled by the inexorable logic of their one-dimensional power seeking "culture" to invade and conquer more "virgin" territories (just like we always have).

The culture of life understood as an indivisible unity and lived as such by the Navi versus the "culture" of death as dramatized by the techno-barbarian invaders. A "culture" in which every one and everything is just more stuff to be ground into mince-meat and rubble.

The three Matrix films were about this theme too. The dreadfully sane "normals" having taken the blue pill were completely unaware of how their machine driven "culture" was on the verge of completely wiping out all forms of living-breathing-feeling humanity.

The REAL state of our "culture" was also prophesized in both Brave New World and 1984. Our "culture" is now a combination of both of these dark visions.

The obese dreadfully sane every-person is the new normal. The ultimate product of Western "civilization". Completely self-oblivious and stuffed full of junk "food", a cornucopia of drugs, both legal & illegal. And his/her mind and psyche stuffed full junk "culture" via TV.

In the background of all of that there is the ceaseless propaganda of the permanent warfare state, complete with the new individual and collective hate objects.

Yes I agree, we should try to reduce the load on the planet.

However my method would be a little different.

First we should get rid of all those useless fairies down the foot of the garden.

Obviously we should get rid of all the useless fairies in academia.

Shrode: “funny there's mention of human rights but the issue of abortion is never mentioned, as if didn't matter.”
David Swanton: “Some religions deny gays the same rights as heterosexuals, deny women equality and the right to their own bodies by opposing abortion …”
That’s not a detailed discussion but it is the mention that you said it never got.
Your assertion that abortion is today's equivalent of slavery is way over the top. Slavery operated on big strong human beings with completely developed nervous systems, brains and (often) responsibilities to other similar human beings in family and community. Constraining their freedom had huge knock-on effects to other people. Abortion operates on a relatively miniscule bunch of cells with no cognitive function, hardly recognisable human attributes and no responsibilities whatever to other humans.