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Vietnam: the last battle : Comments

By John Pilger, published 10/12/2010

Within one person's lifetime Ho Chi Minh’s nationalists have fought and expelled the French, British, the Americans and the Chinese.

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PaulL talks about paranoid fantacies.This is no fantacy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBp3URuMV28 Here we see two Fox shows X Files 'Lone Gunman' and the Simpsons predicting 911 some months before it happened.The Simpsons episode is clear and undeniable.Explain these two fantacies PaulL.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 12 December 2010 5:34:24 AM
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That's quite fascinating Arjay,
but what on earth does it have
to do with Vietnam?

With respect to the hapless soldiers
who are sent by our governments to fight
these pointless and unwinnable wars,
I think that they generally deserve
our appreciation and respect. On the
other hand there is undeniably a minority
of soldiers who volunteer for military
duty because they quite like the idea
of killing gooks and ragheads.

I repeat my question: what was achieved
in the Vietnam War other than the deaths
of hundreds of thousands of people and the
restoration of its independence?
Posted by talisman, Sunday, 12 December 2010 7:38:50 AM
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I find this a very interesting reflection on a very unjust war. But somehow one article is ment to sway the perceptions of all. Come now people i hope you do not base your opinions and decisions on the writings of one news paper or writer. This as it is is interesting, telling a story and can be used with all the other reading one does on Vietnam to gain further understanding of the realities of what happened.
Without question this was as is most war is completely unjustified. Fuelled by peoples fears and paranoia then driven by the profiteers. We are a foolish species cursed to perpetuate our stupidity over and over again.
Posted by nairbe, Sunday, 12 December 2010 8:22:07 AM
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OSung Wu,

Sadly what you say is true. The US and its allies in the West were in large part defeated by the hippie movement many of whom were no doubt motivated by fear of being sent to war, in concert with the communists.

As you know the insurgency in the South was effectively destroyed during Tet 1968. The Linebacker II bombings of 1972 brought the North to its knees and effectively won the war. The appalling treaty signed at the Paris peace Accords was an acknowledgement that even though the free world forces had won, there was no longer the political will to enforce this. By cutting off of support for the gov’t of SVN, down to the bullets in their guns Nixon and co. effectively ceded the country to the communists. And yet it took the North (still fully supported by the Russians) 3 years to defeat the gov’t of SVN.

You need only look at how the vast majority of protesters turned out to see that they were motivated mainly by peer pressure and group think. The protest movement was a youth fad much like the earlier Beatles fad and many since. I don’t doubt there were people who were ideologically committed to this movement. But the vast majority were kids going along with what was cool at the time. Like kids always.

Fonda should have been jailed for treason, and today she probably would. Thankfully it is no longer acceptable to actively and publicly seek the failure of the military forces of the country you owe everything to. Jane Fonda was a opportunist and a traitor.

Arjay,
Are you seriously asking me to view a second rate TV show thats about aliens, or a cartoon about yellow people with four fingers, for proof of conspiracy? You need help.
Posted by PaulL, Sunday, 12 December 2010 1:33:02 PM
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Talisman,

What was achieved in the Vietnam War other than the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people and therestoration of its independence?

3 million people left the region after the communists took over. Does that sound like a popular nationalist movement to you?

Its independence? It may be run by Vietnamese but its hardly independent. Vietnam, like all the other communist countries is run by a cabal of corrupt high officials who pass on their positions to their children. There is nothing independent in this.

The fact that South Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia and Taiwan are not communist is in large part attributable to the war in Vietnam. The Wests willingness to fight the communists there discouraged further expansion by the communist bloc.

Vietnam is still mired in poverty and corruption. It is instructive to compare it with Germany, which was far more thoroughly destroyed than Vietnam.

I would ask, what did the communists achieve in Vietnam
Posted by PaulL, Sunday, 12 December 2010 1:34:27 PM
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The US backed Pol Pot was directly responsible for the murder of 1 million Cambodians and indirectly another 2 million due to starvation and disease.Cambodia still suffers today.

PaulL ,you will probably find that Vietnam is enslaved by debt money created by the international reserve banks.That is the main reason why they cannot progress.Debt based money which should be created as a tax credit by their Govt to equal our GDP + inflation and this debt based money creation is destroying the world's economies.
Posted by Arjay, Sunday, 12 December 2010 1:58:35 PM
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