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Populate for lower living standards : Comments

By John Le Mesurier, published 8/12/2010

We should question the sanity of anyone who welcomes rapid growth of Australia’s population.

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While I'm sympathetic to calls to restrict
immigration on ecological grounds, like most
articles on this topic this one acts as a 'dog
whistle' for those who wish to limit immigration
of particular ethnic or cultural groups:

"Mohammedans must be excluded from any immigration
program for the sake of the future of this country."

One reason that Australia hasn't developed and
implemented a more ecologically sustainable population
policy is that discussions about population and
immigration are invariably seen as "code" by those
who wish to express bigotry and hatred towards others.

Major political parties have avoided tackling this
vital issue by appealing to the bigoted sector of the
electorate through demonisation of the relatively minuscule
numbers of 'boat people', while encouraging mass immigration
via supposed 'skilled' migration programs.
Posted by talisman, Sunday, 12 December 2010 10:47:05 AM
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<<One reason that Australia hasn't developed and
implemented a more ecologically sustainable population
policy is that discussions about population and
immigration are invariably seen as "code" by those
who wish to express BIGOTry and hatred towards others.

Major political parties have avoided tackling this
vital issue by appealing to the BIGOTed sector of the
electorate through demonisation of the relatively minuscule
numbers of 'boat people', while encouraging mass immigration
via supposed 'skilled' migration programs.>>

Mohammedans should be excluded if they arrive by boat AND they should be excluded from 'skilled' migration programs.
Let there be no discrimination as to how they are excluded.
Just exclude them from all immigration.

This has nothing to do with BIGOTry.

This got to do with keeping Australia free from Islamic extremism.
There is no other effective way.
We need to learn from history and we need to learn from countries like
Sweden,
Norway,
Denmark,
Britain,
France,
Netherlands,
Germany,
Belgium,
Italy,
Spain,
USA,
Canada
and all the other countries where Islamists are engaged in violent (and non-violent) jihad.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
Posted by Proxy, Sunday, 12 December 2010 1:03:26 PM
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It's good to see that you get the message
about bigotry, Proxy. However, it doesn't
seem to prevent you from attempting to hijack
a thread about population and turn it into a
platform for the expression of your own apparent
bigotry towards Muslim immigrants.

Which illustrates my point perfectly, thanks
very much.
Posted by talisman, Sunday, 12 December 2010 1:27:06 PM
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Goes to show why there's never a debate about population in this country. Any attempt to do so ends up in cies of "racism, bigotry". If we are to have an immigration program, there's no reason why the few that should be let in can't be selected- hopefully on the basis of skill and ability to integrate. Since in my opinion many who come here presently have neither, I too can be accused of bigotry, whereas those proponents of "open door" immigration could be accused of treason and environmental vandalism.
Posted by viking13, Sunday, 12 December 2010 1:40:23 PM
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<<It's good to see that you get the message about bigotry, Proxy.>>
Accusations of bigotry are the first resort of those without an argument.

<<However, it doesn't seem to prevent you from attempting to hijack a thread about population>>
Mine is merely an expansion on the author's reference to Social Factors which should be taken into account when deciding who we let into Australia.
It deals with exactly the same issue albeit in a less circumspect manner.
You seem to be wilfully blind to the real hijackers, like the 9/11 nineteen who were Islamic migrants to the USA.

<<and turn it into a platform for the expression of your own apparent bigotry towards Muslim immigrants.>>
There's that insult of first resort again, which seems to come so naturally to you.

<<Which illustrates my point perfectly, thanks very much.>>
You don't appear to have a point, apart from shouting down those who have a different opinion to your own with accusations of BIGOTry.
Posted by Proxy, Sunday, 12 December 2010 2:12:49 PM
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"bigotry (plural bigotries)

intolerance or prejudice, especially religious or racial; discrimination (against); the characteristic qualities of a bigot"

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/bigotry

Proxy: "Mohammedans must be excluded from any immigration
program for the sake of the future of this country."

Proxy, your proposal to discriminate against
"Mohammedan" (sic) immigrants seems to fit the
definition of bigotry perfectly. QED.

Now, do you have anything to say about Australia's
population policy beyond demanding that "Mohammedans"
be excluded from immigrating?
Posted by talisman, Sunday, 12 December 2010 4:51:08 PM
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