Antiseptic,
I would agree fully with what you have said.

Also noted that there were few complaints about fathers when they were seeing the children every second weekend.

It was only when fathers wanted to see their children more than 2 days out of 14 that the shouts of "abuse" began to be heard.

When the fathers wanted more contact than 2 days out of 14, then the feminist propaganda machine was rolled out and the denigration and vilification of fathers began.

Two reasons for this.
1/ If the father had custody of the children for more than 2 days out of 14, it could affect her child support payments.

2/ It has long been a part of Marxist/feminist belef that fathers are superflous and are only good for paying money to the mother, or acting as an unpaid babysitter when the mother wants a break.

You know 40 % of kids don't have the correct father. Another reason to throw the system out and start again.
A commissioned look into childrens safety, abuse, needs to happen with recommendations to be supplied.

Do you guys really believe there are no false claims of 'coaching' children in custody proceedings? That it is possible an abuser may lie about his/her partner's coaching of their children.

You are talking in broad generalisations about a minority of false claims made by mothers of abuse as though this is the norm and represents the majority.

I know you don't really believe that every claim of abuse is false and that there are no men abusing kids or their wives out there in the real world. How would you deal with these tragic situations. Ridiculing the claims of abuse or diminishing them as false only makes the situation worse for children.

False claims are abhorrent if it means more kids will be left with an abusive parent, but lets not get carried away with the false perception that all women lie about these really important issues.

If your view of women is that tainted I think we have reached an impasse as far as discussion about any rational win-win situations in regards to custody arrangements.

For some of you, your attitudes towards women are no different than those rabid man-hating feminists you complain about - but I don't think you will ever see it and thus the cycle of victimisation and hatred continues.

579 if you are referring to the outcomes of paternity testing which I thought was about 25% remember that is based on figures for those who were suspicious enough about the paternity of children to have the test's done. I've not seen any evidence that real figure is anywhere near that.

Suzie "Why oh why do you guys want to hear something 'positive' from university feminists about men? What does it matter what they think?"
I suspect that a lot of feminists don't realise how overwhelmingly negative about men professional feminists are. My attempt to give vanna an answer surprised me because I had expected some balance but what I found was a lot of writing about men and masculinity and almost all of it negative except in the case of men deemed to be acting in a more feminine manner. The closest I could get was a piece on the Shed movement. It matters because those are the people doing the research used by policy makers to set policy around a lot of important issues.

My suggestion was prompted by your comment "What I don't believe is that there is some great feminist conspiracy to punish all fathers for the crimes of the few." As I said I don't see it that way but there is a lot of self regulating group think which dominates "gender studies". Look for accounts of the treatment of those within the field who have tried to questions some of the assumptions.

R0bert

Well said Pelican, and I agree wholeheartedly with you.
I have often said we are flogging a dead horse with the attitudes of some of the guys on this forum.

While you or I may sometimes see where they are coming from, and feel some empathy with how they must feel, having been hurt by some women in their lives, the empathy is rarely reciprocated.

RObert, you may well not find 'praise' of men or fathers in published university papers by female university researchers or lecturers, but I doubt they are all feminists, or that they all publish publicly available papers.

I am sure there are also male university lecturers who don't feel the need to publicly 'praise' women or mothers too! Does that make them all terrible misogynists? Of course not.

What of the male university lecturers who write papers denigrating men and/or aspects of domestic violence or fatherhood in general today? Are you guys going to start spitting at them too? No?

The vast majority of women in our society are not senior female university lecturers or researchers, and yet some male posters on this site seem to want to lump us all into the one rabid-feminist-box!

At the end of the day, we still have far more male politicians and law-makers in Australia than female. Surely these guys would have not agreed to these 'feminist university women' calling the shots on decisions involving family courts etc?

Or are they all secret feminists too?

Whoa up there Jacksun! you made a suggestion but that sort of thing goes straight to the keeper on this site. Yep, get the ICL's to do their job. While you're at it, get the FRW's,court counsellors, lawyers,barristers, magistrates, judicial registras and judges to do their jobs according to the law which says' DV? no go. The changes will better define it, and about time I say, so the neanderthal-thinkers on this list can see that despite being challenged in their entrenched views (she made me do it), (and that only women mess things up, lie, cheat, leave, falsely accuse etc), eventually we might at least stop arguing about what's abusive and what isn't.

You'd notice when you spoke about the absurdity of PAS, you were immediately accused of calling blokes paedophiles. you didn't, you actually spoke of a child reporting and a mother's natural inclination to go 'OOWAH, that's not right, that's awful, I must protect my child. Who shall I tell? Police? Docs? my doctor? or hey, I should just ignore and we can both keep daddy happy. And you are right about Gardner. On this list though, mum's lying and trying to cause a break up, stop daddy from access. Go figure.

From where I sit, it's a good enough dad ,all it takes is he says he loves his kids but does zip all of nothing to demonstrate same, will get access, even with dangerous behaviours. Decent Women are not winning, despite the alleged feminist plot. And of course I mean white women in this country, not ones from backgrounds that put women in their rightful place. We are talking about less than 5% of cases, but here on OLO, the minority rules. Must denigrate only women here.