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Liberals win by default in Victoria : Comments

By Graham Young, published 1/12/2010

If the Labor brand is 'toxic' then the Liberals hardly won at all.

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Great analysis.

I think it is important that the Greens are included more in polling to identify the issues that may be attracting support from those shifting their votes from the major parties.

I agree with many that the Greens are hardly fit to be a major party.

But by understanding why they get support, the major parties can address rising concerns, but in way fitting of a govt or opposition striving for the best policy mix.
Posted by Chris Lewis, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 8:37:37 AM
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An interesting analysis. I have voted Labor both federally and state through thick and thin always, I feel now though the influence generated by the alliance with the Greens will see me walk. The catalyst for that journey will be acquiescing to the not so hidden priority of Gay agenda the Greens have wrought. I will not go there!
Posted by diver dan, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 8:40:09 AM
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Erm... has there been one single instance in the last decade where a change of governamnt HASN'T occurred by default?

That is; due to disillusionment with the incumbents rather than a significant perceptaion that the opposition would be better.

It is always the case, isn't it?
Posted by Ludwig, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 9:56:53 AM
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Whereas I agree with the basics displayed in the article by Graham, I think he is in error with the comment
"There is also a message for Julia Gillard. While I don't think the Labor brand is "toxic" it's certainly not in great shape".

Firstly, we obvious are looking at Labor from two different viewpoints. Federally, the leaders at the last election were unworthy in every way. Gillard, because of her dishonesty, lack of principles and lack of loyalty and Abbot for his naivety, stupidity and lack of appeal.

With a different Coalition leader, Gillard would be swept from power at the first opportunity. Had the Independents had someone like Turnbull to align with at the time of the recent negotiations it would have been over. That was the biggest mistake the Coalition has ever made. They stuck with an inept, feckless leader who won leadership on a single emotional issue and they have been stuck with him ever since. Abbott will never take the Coalition to power. It is the fact that he is there at all which makes the 'who is the best leader' vote so low and getting lower. He has no appeal, rightly so.

In the meantime, the incompetence of Gillard and her influencial body of supporters in Melbourne have already been recognised and she will rue the day she threw her lot in with the likes of Shorten, a right wing opportunist and Arbib, perhaps the most insignificant politician in Australia in any jurisdiction, as time will show. Her total disregard and lack of compassion for the people of Palestine clearly identifies the unhealthy influences that call the tune in our foreign policies.

NSW and Queensland to go and not long to wait for as in the case of Victoria, they also will soon be the legacy of a power hungry, ambitious, dishonest and incompetent politician who sold her principles for the top job, well above her capabilities and who, as a result, will never be respected by Australians.

Her time is nigh.
Posted by rexw, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 10:02:21 AM
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Ludwig, Federal Labor won in 2007 because people wanted it to win. The only other change of government was to the Liberals in WA. That was similar to this one, except WA Labor was even more on the nose and the Libs there were in disarray. Remember how they pulled Colin Barnett back at the last moment?

Rexw Malcolm Turnbull wouldn't have got anywhere near as close as Tony Abbott did. You're ignoring the fact that Abbott's about-turn on the ETS did for Rudd because Rudd backed-down on the "greatest moral challenge". I'm also not sure that Turnbull could have held a line on asylum seekers that would have kept blue collar conservatives happy.
Posted by GrahamY, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 10:21:02 AM
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Rexw, you are missing the fact that quite a large percentage of people, particularly Liberal voters, would not vote for any party lead by Turnbull.

The fact that he appeals to so many Labor voters should tell you something. That is, he is very close to a clone of Rudd, & would be just as disastrous as Rudd was.

One thing Labor people can no longer do, is pick good, or even reasonable, leaders for themselves, or anyone else. Come to think of it, there is nothing new in that. I'm not surprised many Labor people would like Turnbull as their leader.

Then again the other lot have picked Fraser, McMahon & Turnbull, so no cupie doll for them either.
Posted by Hasbeen, Wednesday, 1 December 2010 11:01:26 AM
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