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Dismantling a homosexual marriage myth : Comments

By Bill Muehlenberg, published 25/11/2010

The attempt to radically redefine the very essence of marriage is not a minor word change.

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Proxy,

you site a study, but link a religious news site, which itself sites a news site. Are there any facts here in your religo-blogoshere?
Posted by Stezza, Thursday, 25 November 2010 7:54:54 PM
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Young Proxy labours under the misapprehension that evidence is the plural of anecdote. I have long tried to disabuse him of this quaint notion, sadly to no avail.
Posted by Riz Too, Thursday, 25 November 2010 8:10:54 PM
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The demands of conscience remain constant. Those who commit evil or break the moral code (whatever it might be) will be troubled by its pangs; and in their trouble have only two alternatives. They can conform their actions to the moral law or conform the moral code to their actions. The former calls for confession and repentance; the latter rationalisation ideology and ultimately a social activism in which those who feel guilty will unite and try through political means to make a wrong right. Guilt produces the need to confess; as the pool of guilt in any society grows, so the need to confess also grows. Hence the growth in numbers of public confessions, aka 'coming out'.
Will the homosexual lobby be content only when such conduct is legally obligatory?
Posted by Jeandart, Thursday, 25 November 2010 8:56:45 PM
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>> Do you mean that everybody who isn't keen on SSM must have
>> an obsession with homosex or be homophobic to some degree?

In my experience, many in the anti-SSM crowd are focussed on sex, in particular anal sex. However in my previous post I was thinking in particular of Muehlenberg and van Gend. Muehlenberg's fixation on how many partners gay men may or may not have, and van Gend's quip that "A little girl should not have to look up and see two erotically involved men posing as her "parents"" http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/view/the_insanity_of_same-sex_parenting/ reveal that for them it's all about what other adults do with their willies and botties.

Muehlenberg and van Gend wouldn’t define their own partner relationships in terms of heterosexual intercourse. I’m guessing they would say that their relationships with their own partners transcend sex, yet they attempt to pathologise my relationship with my partner by defining it narrowly, in terms of a single sexual act. This is indeed an obsession with homosex.

Homophobic? As I’ve said before, arguing that some human beings deserve fewer rights because they are homosexual most definitely is homophobia: http://goo.gl/nYWkN
Posted by woulfe, Thursday, 25 November 2010 10:00:52 PM
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<<Are there any facts here in your religo-blogoshere>>

<<Young Proxy labours under the misapprehension that evidence is the plural of anecdote.
I have long tried to disabuse him of this quaint notion, sadly to no avail.>>

Gay Couples Vulnerable to HIV When Monogamy Is Unsure
"The survey of 566 couples found that 45 percent said they were monogamous and slightly more said they were in open relationships. Other studies have come up with similar numbers, noted study lead author Colleen C. Hoff, a sexuality researcher."
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/641124.html

Gay Couples Vulnerable to HIV When Monogamy Is Unsure
"All but a tiny number of the couples reported having an agreement regarding sex: 45 percent agreed
that they were in monogamous relationships, and 47 percent agreed that their relationships were open
-- they could sleep with other people."
http://crgs.sfsu.edu/pdf/healthday_news_gay_couples.pdf

What is the Gay Couples Study?
"The Gay Couples Study seeks to identify and examine relationship dynamics in gay and bisexual male couples and explore how those dynamics affect sexual risk behaviors with primary and outside partners. Relationship dynamics include issues such as communication, power, and agreements about whether to allow sex with outside partners (sexual agreements)."

The Center for Research on Gender and Sexuality.
http://crgs.sfsu.edu/research/gcsintro.htm#whathave

Hmmm...
Agreements on whether or not and how often to have sex outside the relationship.
Sounds much the same as any normal marriage.
Nothing to see here folks.
Move along.
Posted by Proxy, Thursday, 25 November 2010 10:17:03 PM
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"Hmmm...
Agreements on whether or not and how often to have sex outside the relationship.
Sounds much the same as any normal marriage."
-Proxy

Hmmm...
Wouldn't it be nice if Proxy didn't try to extrapolate the results from studies of gay couples to gay marriages? 'Coz trust me, there is a world of difference 'twixt a heterosexual marriage and a mere relationship.

A lot of gay couples don't even want to get married. I strongly suspect that the staggering majority of gay couples who do want to get married fall into the quoted 45% who are monogamous. The other 55% are irrelevant, and probably don't care that much.
Posted by Riz, Thursday, 25 November 2010 11:01:32 PM
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