Pelican

Like you, I acknowledge that issues of proof are more complicated than some people will admit. Earlier in this thread, Robert, YEBIGA and others discussed people's motivations for lying or exaggereating and money must be near the top of the list. Therefore, it might help to reduce the amount of child support and family assets that the parent with most custody gets. Much as I would like to believe that all of these parents just want their kids to be safe, we all know people who just want to be with their kids to get the payouts.

Benk,
I would agree, and have you noticed that no matter who wins, money always goes into the pockets of those involved in the Family Law system.

Parasites feeding on the earnings of others.

Pelican - "Obviously people want to ensure the system does not allow a child to be put a risk at the hands of a violent or disturbed parent. Safety should always be put first."

Well said, Pelican. That is exactly what the proposed changes to the Family Law are attempting to do. So far I've read a lot of condemnation of the proposals for the manner in which they are trying to achieve that, but no counter proposals as to how it may be done differently to achieve that goal. Just whinge, whinge, whinge, that it will somehow be so unfair to fathers, although it does not distinguish between the genders in its wording or its application.

"I would not blame a parent taking off with their child if they knew their ex-spouse was putting the child at risk. The more we ignore the safety of children in these cases the more we set up the impetus for 'secret railways'."
Thats exactly right Pelican. and we have seen recently how one such young mother is suffering in a Dutch jail and her child has been incarcerated for nearly three months in a detention facility for juvenile offenders. And the Lynch mobs of the FR groups are now baying for her blood when she is returned to Australia because she dared to defy male supremacism and a system which they determined to suit their wants.

Chaz

If a bloke abducts his kids and later claims that he was doing it for their protection, will you support him? Will the court?

Chaz "But if you want to continue with the kindergarten squabbling, then this debate serves no purpose whatsoever. http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11234#189534"

The alternative is to let child safety and assault be issues for the relevant criminal law and the groups which should look after them.

Not such a complex idea really, it does not solve all the problems but trying to have the family law system deal with those issues just creates more animosity between parents and duplicates what should be happening elsewhere but without the checks and balances. We need better way's of dealing with child abuse and assault not a looser system likely to mask real abuse.

You have not bothered at any point to actually engage with the points being made, instead engaging in a campaign of misrepresentation, pretense that you want serious debate and mocking. Who do you think you are fooling?

R0bert

Family Law Council 2009. Dangers posed by violence for children
"In 2000 Mullane J identified that family violence presents a multi faceted danger for children including a risk of violence and injury to the child personally; a risk of living with fear, insecurity and vigilance; the danger of ongoing fear that a parent perpetrating violence will emotionally or physically abuse the other parent they love.
Further the danger that a child will learn that abuse is part of life for females and become accepting of such behaviour and a danger that the child will come to believe from a father's abuse of their mother, that women are lesser beings. Mullane J went on to say that the greatest danger is that a child will learn from a parent perpetrating violence that physical and emotional abuse are acceptable ways of dealing with other persons and thus come to share the parent’s disability.
In 2003 Moore J referred to research from social scientists about the highly detrimental effect upon young children of exposure to violence and the serious consequences such experiences have for their personality formation.
Terror, acceptance, exertion of control, emotional trauma, aggression, anxiety, behaviour problems and lower selfesteem were all identified as the flow on effects for a child living with violence."
Do Father's Rights supporters want this abuse of children to continue?. Or do they want to do something to protect children?.