Now I have to apologize for that last out-burst and deniers are ( most annoying ) and motivated by Big industrial money-makers. Their reasons behind their actions are as clear and transparent with the most BASIC of human drives........power and money.

Anyway....Iam putting this post back up.

So there you go. Pick which model you like for your political or what ever motives you have and still.........there are the facts to the best of our smartest brains on the planet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-ax0w1g9HI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B04LA-32blc&feature=related

IMO....Two things are happening and are the same.

Climate change/global warming.

Its was always going to happen any-way, and all we humans have done is Quickened up the processes.

Its as simple as that.

Now the Question is, what can be done. Well not much. All we can do is ride it out and take our losses.

Nature in time would of done the same thing whether we were here not.( just a lot slower )

Like I said, the human-race has just pushed the accelerator down.

19th century industrial revolution.

This is the price we pay for it.

See people will not except the facts until the sky falls right down on top of their heads, and even then they will try and say its some other cause.


Climate change/global warming. IS REAL.

The earth is sensitive. We live in a very thin little bubble, and just like a burning frying pan in the kitchen, the smoke does full the room just like we are all doing to the earth,
just a bigger scale.

BLU

Squeers: Thanks for the link to Fran Kelly's 10 minute interview with Naomi Oreski. What she had to say about the FUD machine typified some of the comments here.

The link worked for me, but sometimes it's better to post in a shortened format, say from 'tiny url', e.g. http://tinyurl.com/2837asj

This is the home page: http://tinyurl.com/

Here's another of the professor's lectures : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T4UF_Rmlio in more detail.

Leo Lane

Politicians have a habit of avoiding answering hard questions so I repeat.

“Surely if there is any chance that this report is correct. We should be alarmed?”

A straight answer would be appreciated.

Yes deep blue, climate change is real. It was around long before we were, and we have had no effect on it. I asked if you had science which shows otherwise.

Human emissions have no measureable effect on climate change.

Sarnian, the answer is NO, because there is the same chance of the opposite being true. Is you comprehension impaired, sarnian? I spelt it out clearly, above.

Have you found some science that says human emissions have any but a negligible effect on global warming?

Bonmot, Naiomi Oreskes is the person who first posted a study purporting to show a consensus on global warming. There has never been a consensus, and if there were it would be irrelevant to science.

Naiomi Oreskes has been completely discredited.

How about looking for some reputable science, bonmot. You will not find it on Wikipedia. Come back when you have proof that human emissions have any measurable effect on global warming.

Goodbye.

Leo Lane

So you would be willing to take a 50/50 chance on the survival of the human race and most of life on earth?

This is getting more interesting on the conspiracy side now .. alarmists allege skeptics are accusing scientists and media of conspiring on AGW.

Yet, we see so many claims that skeptics are only thus when they are paid by big .. (insert bogie man here, Oil is popular)

This is a little like not being able to admit that people naturally are finding the whole AGW hysterics, doomsaying and regular scare mongering tiresome and unbelievable, they have to actually be convinced or paid to be skeptical (ozandy statedon OLO that he could prove any skeptic was in the pay of .. Big Oil possibly)

Interestingly enough, this is similar to the Democrats in the US, not being able to understand people don't like their policies, or them and have voted for someone else - they believe it was the Tea Party who did it. Even if the Tea Party drew attention to it, like skeptics do about many things, it was ordinary people who turned, with or without coaxing. The Dems believe the "right" conspired to convince Dem voting public otherwise., which means they will not learn from this and will continue with stupid policies. People do not believe, or like them is the truth.

To constantly state that people are only skeptical because of Big Oil, or whomever, just means you have decided people cannot make up their own minds. This is a delusion, people are not that stupid. You alarmists, have not convinced them.

You might be convinced of something, it doesn't mean everyone is and blaming it on a 3rd party,means you have suspended logic completely.

BTW the Dems, re-electing Pelosi, just confirms, they don't get it.

So alarmists believe there is a conspiracy to turn people skeptical? Most people are skeptical anyway, and when you add the hysterics and exaggeration, they turn off, they don't even bother with the science, they just assume if you bluster and wave your arms hysterically all the time, you're an idiot .. alarmist. To top it off, you want to raise taxes and you want money all the time.