Pelican,

"Terrorists are often fragmented groups, one arm not fully cognisant of what the other is doing, many acting on their own 'initiatives' without any semblance of a well coordinated strategic and networked plan."

Well, yes, that's how doing random damage works: many groups, all working towards the general goal of a world-wide Khalifa/Khilafa/Caliphate, by conversion or the sword - they don't have to co-ordinate anything specifically: as long as indiscriminate damage is wreaked, then their work is done, road-side bomb, market bomb, mosque bomb, pre-school bomb, it doesn't matter.

King Hazza,

" .... us being the only separate entity are targeted by this other 'nation' ... "

Well, no - in the last few months, India, Kashmir, Pakistan, Yemen, various West African countries, Uganda, Russia, the Philippines, Thailand and various other countries have been the targets of attacks, usually bombing, by groups loosely affiliated with al Qa'ida (which of course doesn't exist). These non-existent groups would welcome a safe-haven country, 'this other 'nation'', wherever it may be, Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, etc., to keep carrying out these non-existent bombings with some impunity. Would you advocate giving it to them on a plate ?

Indeed, there are none so blind .....

Joe

India, Kashmir, Pakistan, Yemen, various West African countries, Uganda, Russia, the Philippines, Thailand are ALL being attacked by local Islamic nationalists wanting to either secede or take control of the country, with no trace of motive for wanting to conquer neighbouring non-Islamic populations (except for JI, who specifically want Muslim Indonesia and Muslim Malaysia to form a Caliphate).

No case of any terrorists attempting to attack another country to conquer it- or for that matter, that there has ever been a single international Islamic terrorist attack where has not been a single possible motive outside that country being non-Islamic.

So the "working for an Islamic world" theoretical motive fails to be substantiated by these examples, nor world any of them need Al Queda to carry out attacks.

I'm still waiting for that shred of evidence that CONTRADICTS my point that Islamic terrorism is only either domestic, or international but targeting only major 'occupiers' in the Middle East.

I believe I asked this many times before and no answer could be given.

So the choice is to either see the gigantic lack of evidence to support the presumption that terrorist recruits sincerely do feel like signing up to attack faraway countries for missionary purposes- and the gigantic abundance of evidence to suggest it is to repel outside forces and Islamize their own countries;

Or, take the word of some opinion writers that it still IS the case anyway.

Loudmouth
You are right about random damage but who said Al-Qa'ida does not exist? Al-Qa'ida is just a name tage. See the current listing of terrorist organisations in the link. As you will see even Al-Qa'ida is fragmented into various groups.

http://www.ag.gov.au/agd/www/nationalsecurity.nsf/AllDocs/95FB057CA3DECF30CA256FAB001F7FBD?OpenDocument

From the link provided by pelican: Not exactly sure why the Australian Government has this list that just shows Islamic terrorists as its most accessible.

To veer a little off topic...also from Attorney General's Dept, this shows all the organisations proscribed in Australia:

http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/rwpattach.nsf/VAP/%28153683DB7E984D23214BD871B2AC75E8%29~Attachment+A+-+AG_s.PDF/$file/Attachment+A+-+AG_s.PDF

But am I reading it correctly that the IRA is only considered a terrorist organisation by the UK?

http://currentglobalperceptions.blogspot.com/

jorge
My understanding is that listing a terrorist organisation involves a 'statement of reasons' prepared by ASIO, the Attorney-General signs off on it and then all the legal formalities are set in place. The Parliament can at any time overturn the original decision as events change.

Perhaps some terrorist groups are not as active in some nations. The IRA would not be seen as a threat to Australia and in fact I am surprised it is still listed as one in the UK given the 'new peace' arrangements.

Kellie
It looks as though your opposition has run out of steam for this week.
Please keep on pointing out that those that profit from war are the ones who must be held responsible for all the suffering. Those who created the Taliban (the USA) must bear the responsibility of helping to fix the mess that is Afghanistan.