This war has nothing to do with the freedom of the West.It is about making profits from human misery,the $93 billion heroine inductry,the $ trillions of lithium for the battery industry,and oil and gas piplines from Turkmenistan.Even Noam Chomsky a Jewish intellectual says the invasion of Afghanistan is illegal and immoral.The FBI admit they did not have the evidence on Bin Laden for the 911 attacks.

The whole war on terror is nothing but an elaborate fabrication to justify corporate imperialism that JFK and others warned us about.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

Hazza...it's a mess eh :)

We can however learn from history how to handle such things.

Certainly would not be something "Human Rights Watch" would approve.

But then...HRW is funded by George Soros aka "god" (in his own mind)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iSZRe9axrSAMLyvbyJ7fk3jWrMdg

Sadly Gore, disregarding human rights laws may provide a direct combative advantage in terror tactics, but looking at the broad picture it only solidifies us as a demonic nemesis of Islam in the eyes of the broader Islamic World (read, potential recruitment base);

Becoming a terrifying entity to scare away Islamic extremists ONLY works when we are otherwise of no immediate threat or presence.

That is;
If the west stayed outside the Middle East, and presented itself as a terrifying entity as you would endorse- we would be in their eyes, a terrifying civilization far away that they would dare not tread, as you would predict;

But if we, as a terrifying entity started invading various countries in that region (and even making up false excuses to do so) they would simply have no choice but to take up arms against us (and our viciousness only making their urgency to fight us greater).

For example- virtually every NATO country invaded Afghanistan virtually on impulse in response to fighting the perpetrators of 911- quite the opposite of anyone hoping the attacks would scare the west into submission.

Good to see most people are ignoring Tranters (socialist) tantrums.

War on Terror...(not error) ? here is some of what we are at war against... a bunch of about 30 Muslim terrorists screaming "British Troops-burn in HELL" at the armistice day remembrance.

Around 50 EDL were there to give a bit of push back...but of course the EDL are just 'right wing thugs' arn't they?

Were any arrested on the day ? Nope (but..but...they are THUGS according to the lefty script)

Were any Muslims arrested ? Yep..3 one for assaulting a Policeman.

The argument that the West expands the growth of terrorism by invading countries like Iraq and Afghanistan rather than stop its spread cannot just be dismissed as socialist babble. To do so is dangerous.

Evidence suggests that illegal invastions merely stir the fires of terrorism and the passions of would-be terrorists both overseas at home. The invasion has not stopped the trade in illegal heroin and terrorism has just moved offshore to Somalia,Pakistan, Yemen and other parts. You cannot fight a terrorist network like you can fight a war where there is one invader and one defender. Terrorism is a mindset that knows no State boundaries.

The US PR machine is out and about lately to make friends with Indonesia and allies like Australia being fully aware of public and foreign sentiment on this issue. The best strategy would be to plan the stages for a full withdrawal sooner rather than later.

Social, diplomatic and economic efforts would bring better rewards in the long term. Fostering corrupt governments does not aid in defeating terrorism and most terrorist activity is fought using the best intelligence sources and information from the public both on home ground and foreign ground.

I do wish some people could see past personal politics and look at the war purely on strategic grounds.

The West is far more at risk of home grown terrorism furthered by war than from any foreign invader/terrorist plot.

Terrorists are often fragmented groups, one arm not fully cognisant of what the other is doing, many acting on their own 'initiatives' without any semblance of a well coordinated strategic and networked plan.

The West is already better coordinating joint intelligence and law enforcement services as part of counter terrorism policy hopefully putting behind past mistrusts, internal politics and inferiority and superiority complexes.

Pelican that would make sense to a logical person with the bigger , more complicated picture in mind;

Sadly this will do little to those who only understand there is only in this world either America (and us) and some large terrorist nation, and us being the only separate entity are targeted by this other 'nation' and we must 'stop it' and claim victory.

And these people will stick to this belief like glue, regardless of how little logic it actually contains.