Houlley
I am not speaking for or on behalf of prominent feminists. Who gives themselves these self appointed labels anyway. I only speak for me on an opinion site, I don't claim to speak for others. Yes there are some bleatings out there about women CEOs but don't get disillusioned by the comments of the few to taint your view of women or feminism.

A movement is only as good or as bad as those who make up that movement, and one or two radical feminists don't speak for me or for many other women. I have yet to see the OSW do anything to improve the status of women who choose to stay at home for a time to raise their children. Not that I expect this role should be a function of government - but only to point out the contrast.

(PS: I am not a fan of WorkChoices and the arrangement was a secret one between the two of us...shhhhh. The weekday was marked on my timesheet instead of the Saturday. I can see how such a situation might set a bad precedent for some employers as opportunity to pay less for weekend work)

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We are all outcomes of our conditioning. It is only experience that makes us question some of those foundations. In my case it was the opposite of what you assume - the man being very much the head of the household in our family but my mother having far more influence due to a loving and respectful relationship. We are also sexist sometimes even towards our own gender. I still shudder when I hear a group of young girls swearing like troopers but less so when it is men. Not fair but that is how it is. Women in some ways have adopted the worst of male behaviour in the feminist cause, and we don't have to become men to realise a more egalitarian society.

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Pelican:"In my case it was the opposite of what you assume - the man being very much the head of the household in our family but my mother having far more influence due to a loving and respectful relationship."

That's just what my own upbringing was like, so I'm not aure what you mean by "opposite of what you assume".

What it IS the opposite of is the feminist historical revisionism that we're sold as being the story of that time.

It was thanks to that upbringimg that I would have said "I support feminism". It was thanks to feminism that I said "this stinks".

Which of the two situations is more conducive to achieving an egalitarian outcome that suits evryone OK, even if it doesn't suit career feminists perfectly?

been thinking of Whistlers, comments, it was not that long ago when feminists claimed that marriage was a patriarchial construct,designed to keep women oppressed.

As such Whistlers comments follow the same typical script.

Now society that is ordinary people will change when they want too, not when socalled leaders, academics or experts, decide they must change.

If we harp back to a bygone era, when women were viewed a to bein weaker than men, many of the laws written and unwritten were designed to provide protection for the weaker sex, and for many women, that worked in their favour.

To take a small section of society and then use that section to exptrapolate to the rest of society juust leads to a distorted view of how society really functions.

I wish I could find a story it is called Tom's Story about how a bloke gets destroyed, he basically gets set up and because he reacts, he subsquently looses any chance of having contact with his children.

Society changed half a century ago JamesH, although apparently unnoticed by men still revelling in the benevolence of their predecessors in England in the 1880s who enacted laws to make it an offence for men to bash their wives and children after 10.00pm so their peers could get a good night's sleep and save their strength for the morning. Men are entirely victims of themselves, not women. All that's required now is to update antiquated instruments of governance like the Constitution of Australia to reflect what's been going on in the real world for some time now and that's something the retrogrades have absolutely no prospect of influencing beyond what will be a minuscule and most curious negative vote.

As always, whistler is unable to do anything but express his hatred for his own gender. I'm thinking the gender reassignment surgery is way overdue...