i have said/pretty-much all i care to say...at the euthinasia topic
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11043&page=0

but lets try to summerise/that discussed there

[last-time..i looked
two athiests were..debating/about this dying/thing..[ie/one-life]

[and/not believing..in an after-life]

so for athiests...its important consideration

remember..you lot think..
you only got one life

so why..chose to cut/it..short...!

then there are.those/who get the/whole thing-wrong
like xtian./jews/even maybe..those following the messenger/mahomoud

im refering..to those fixated..in the deciete/lie/deception
of judgment/and reserction-day

as..refered/to there..

there is no such/thing-as a'day'..of judgment
nor a...'day/of..reserction....for most..its instant/change

[as jesus revealed/
to...even..a thief...on/a..cross

['this day..you shall-be..in heaven']

then/clearly..jesus..re-appearing*/..AFTER*...his death
[this..clearly rebuts/refutes..waiting for a day/of-reserection

as well as..the.."day of judgment"]

its possably..the biggest thing/
even his own..fail to get..!

as many links..i poted/prove...
one second..we are/here/
then in/the...next we are..there...
many actually totally unaware/..they have passed-over

i will remind/too of the complications...
[all dependant upon/freewill...laws]

ie gods/ordainment..
that we are..free to believe/..disbelieve...AS WE CHOSE

thus many/good-true..lie sleeping..{self/..a-coma-tised}..in heaven/hell...thinking their-dead..and acting accordingly

if your going/to..kill some-one

WHY CONDEM THEM..TO THIS HELL..!
by their own ignorance

as revealed there..it would be better/
to put those...'in pain'..into a coma..HERE/now...
better than..for eternity/there

than to/ignorantly..send them into perpetual..spiritual/stasis...

this is a huge..issue/there
[as the links..reveal]

yes/it is easy..to dump/RUBBISH..
thinking..its gone

but put/some..thought into the issue

your claiming..to be ending/physical-suffering
when your..only..making MORE-spiritytual-suffering..!

by acting..in ignorance..of the facts
so clearly revealed..in the writings/from beyond

read..gone-west...that covers many of the issues..
were ignorantly/chosing to formalise...here/now..into-law
http://new-birth.net/booklet/Gone_West.pdf

remember..there is a law-of/karma
every/action...has its equall..and oppisite re-action

go look upon a 'dead'-person...realise..the law
ENERGY..cannot be..created/nor destroyed

WHERE DID/your loved-ones..life-'energy'..go?

would you...[lol...85%}..ignorantly..send your mum...to hell?

please..do some thinking..on this people

it might-just...be you..sleeping away/eternity..!

for what?

simply believing decievers..wanting an empty/bed
trying to save..a few bucks?

you only have...one...ETERNAL-life

that you..do/here..
WILL AFFECT A GREAT-lot..of the/quality..
of the..next-half..of it

think/...what would jesus/do
now/what..can/you do?

http://new-birth.net/books_life_after_death.htm

http://www.divinetruth.info/naturallovepathdocuments.htm

http://www.divinetruth.info/Downloads/CD/NaturalLove/PDFs/Franchezzo%20-%20A%20Wanderer%20In%20The%20Spirit%20Lands.pdf

some/of the other links/i posted
are rather fullsome-longreads/but good reading-

ie going into detail..from a personal perspective

here is..one/..that summerises/things
http://new-birth.net/booklet/GettingOut.PDF

its not so-much..about death/dying/rebirth..from a personal perspective

but more a summation of a few..pointing out common points/problems/cures..to some of the issues
arrising from..being..re-born..in the next-stage..of life

its not much use..re-going..over/the issues
as we all..have our opinion..

trouble being/opinions..are like rectums..[we all got one]

please let this topic be informed..by knowledge.*..!

and/realise..science reveals..
there just might be other dimentions
lets call them heaven./hell..till we know..for certain

remember..science reveals...energy..
cant/be created*..nor destroyed
[for the athiest]...

thus..life=force/energy..cant be extinguished
but it..can transpher..to another dimention

for those/
of religious/believings

recall..the law
thou..shalt/not kill

dying..[for those..who have/seen..the process]
is far from dignified

dying with dignety..is an oximoron

even worse..is dying drugged..to the eyeballs
totally insens-able...compusmensus?

so drugged-up..your..like a/drunk..
and often..dont/even realise..your presumed..dead

we put our/faith...in men
but what..god-head./beliefs/opinions..are they serving

that of..the flesh...?
or worse decieved-spiritualisms/doctrane..
killing...lol..for love?

or..the..ever-living/good..
[love-thy/neighbour..due to all
that gives/..love/service..to all those...

...only god can give..to live

give those..suffering cure/remedy..from their suffering
not simply/put-them...out/of..our* missery
and by ignorance prolong-it

some-one said..about putting..down-pets
then walking away

but where/did it's..soul/life-force..go?
dont we need/..to-be..sure?

yes its..material/suffering..seems ended

but what/of..that living..[life-force]..
that trusts you/..loved-you...

but..that can/never end?

one under god: I stopped reading after "you atheists believe you only get one life"...well actually I take issue with that!
I do not subscribe to Theism, nor do I believe we only have one life.
It is easy to dismiss alternate philosophies if you impose your own limited false views on the world and fail to learn what people actually do believe...the old straw man technique. Good for the ego I guess but it doesn't help people get along!
Back on topic: I, and my family *will* die with dignity regardless of what the minority churchy authoritarians want. You can threaten and cajole, but unless you lock us all up it cannot be prevented.
Just as with the "war on drugs" you impose unrealistic ideals on folks that don't want, nor need your ignorant stunted moral imperialism.
Yes its a tricky "political" issue, but as an ethical one it is simple: Do as *you* and your loved ones want, stay out of others lives. It is simple respect.

".... resort to fear and smear campaigns, distorting and misrepresenting the truth about how such a law works in other jurisdictions. For example, in his recent On Line Opinion piece Gillard’s conflict on euthanasia more than justified Jim Wallace said in as few words that Dr Philip Nitschke admitted that he had “probably breached the law”. Dr Nitschke did not admit that, and to represent so is a willing distortion of the truth."

I think my favourite to date is the mock news cast, in which Jim and his pal lied that Hockey's absurd "In defence of god" speech was about christian values and reinforced the value of christianity.

Read the text.
In his speech to the Sydney Institute, Mr Hockey said Christianity's declining popularity in the West was a result of many church leaders interpreting the Bible too literally.

"By encouraging literalist analysis of the Bible, many churches have inadvertently invited people to question the validity of a faith that seems to be based on questionable facts of outdated prescriptions," he said.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/national/hockey-speech-not-linked-to-leadership/story-e6frfku9-1225796033861#ixzz11kCHtL8C

Yes, Ozandy and the same goes for those of us who do NOT want to get topped. As a 67-year-old, I suggest that euthanasia, voluntary OF COURSE, should be an unquestioned right of all those aged 66 and younger - those aged 67 and older should require a special permit.

And should all of those 85 % who are so happy to support the deaths of others put their names on the lists, and be first to stand in line ?

There ARE some of us who are not too enthusiastic to give away our one-and-only life, just yet. There are roses to smell, places to see, children to annoy.

So, Ozandy, if you want to top yourself, give yourself a pat on the back, you're a hero - now go off and do it. But leave the rest of us alone.

Joe

David G, "It's interesting to note the difference between putting our pets out of their age-related misery and our own kind."

Agreed and that is why the broken aged care system has to be replaced with a new system that works. Reports of maltreatment of the old in nursing homes would automatically result in prosecutions and large fines if they were pet dogs, cats or even rats.

'ELDERLY patients in nursing homes are being fed cold and inedible food, left sitting in urine and faeces and subjected to cruel and at times inhumane treatment from overworked and underresourced carers.

The Sunday Telegraph worked undercover inside two metropolitan nursing homes for three weeks and found that some of Sydney's most vulnerable citizens are being mistreated and left to die inside sterile, cold and smelly aged-care facilities.

The high-care homes - run by Bupa Care Services and Domain Principal Group and overseen by the federal Government - advertise superior aged-care offering personal support and respect for the elderly.

However, many miserable, despondent and desperately lonely residents, who pay 85 per cent of their $671.90 fortnightly pension, live in often despicable conditions and are treated with disrespect. Frail but mentally sound residents talked about being "scared", "lonely" and "waiting to die".'

http://www.news.com.au/national/unfed-and-unwashed-nursing-home-residents-living-in-hell/story-e6frfkvr-1225872968031

and this,
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-national/nursing-home-manager-sacked-over-squalor-20101007-168jb.html

and this,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/14/2926529.htm

The seniors who are indisputably the main targets of euthanasia are also the most discriminated group in Australia, yet they do not even have a Commissioner to champion their rights. However the politically correct 'isms', such as racism and sexism, still retain enormous political clout and special Commissioners and advisory groups attached to them, despite the fact that these issues have largely been successfully dealt with and long ago. Multiculturalism has an special, expensive council to advocate its interests,

http://www.immi.gov.au/about/stakeholder-engagement/national/advisory/amac/

Why aren't those who are as keen as mustard to represent the right of the aged to end their lives also stumping up to end ageism, the most prevalent discrimination in Australia, and demanding that government act to replace the broken aged care system that is so embarrassing internationally to Australia?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/15/3012042.htm