Yes but pelican all those people had some ailment or were in greater need of a seat. As a feminist, I don't believe women to be inferior or that being female makes one less able to stand. Girls can do anything!

My feminist beliefs over-ride my belief in good manners. I cant believe you want to perpetuate the patronising of women in society in such a paternalistic way?

Ah you feminists, it's all about manners and romance when women gain an advantage from societal constructs, but it's oppression and sexism when women are disadvantaged. Patriarchy is a job lot.

Men of course, are never disadvantaged, they have choice rather than societal expectations.

Yes it is a dilemma Houlley.

Perhaps us middle aged types are the wrong people to ask about the dichotomy of manners and feminism. It will be up to the younger generations to determine what constitutes manners in line with social changes.

I still appreciate a man (or a woman) opening a door or giving up a seat but I don't expect it and I don't feel demeaned. Equality will probably mean some of those old fashioned courtesies will go - which is a shame. I don't pretend I am not a product of my generation nor conditioning.

JamesH - very droll. Gentleman are in short supply. :)