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Anti-Gay Marriage gays : Comments

By Ben-Peter Terpstra, published 27/9/2010

Gay marriage is a distraction from the real issues confronting homosexuals

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@ History Buff

I think we have to agree that no matter what survery results that provides evidence that the population supports marriage equality, you will never agree on - there will allways be something wrong with the survey or results - and there has been hundreds of surveys which show that the majory of the Australian population since 2006 support marriage equality.

Imagine you are Penny Wong for a minute. You are in the Labor Party trying to make it more open to people like you. It’s quite macho, it’s blokey there are more than a few homophobes still hanging around. What’s more some of them think you’re an uppity dyke who stole their gig. You’ve come a long way and got a huge promotion under a previous strongly Christian Prime Minister who was never going to support gay marriage – but he did support you in changing 58 laws to create near equality. And then your boss gets dumped, and there’s a chance you are going to lose your job altogether at an election.

So, does now seem like a good time to maybe throw it all away - without any guarantee that overnight your party will back your new willingness to say you support marriage equality? Possibly not.
Posted by jason84, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 4:56:26 AM
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It has been suggested that the purpose of marriage is to establish an appropriate family environment in which children will be conceived and raised, and that as such there is no place for same-sex relationships in marriage. This view conflicts with the fact that different-sex couples who choose not to have children, or who form relationships in non-childbearing years, are still entitled to marry or re-marry. Further, and very importantly, it discounts the substantial number of children who are currently being raised in a same-sex couple family.
Posted by jason84, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 5:03:02 AM
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Just face it Jason, your arguments are pretty weird. Even Obama, Julia Gillard, Penny Wong, and Hillary Clinton reject “gay marriage.”

You said: “It has been suggested that the purpose of marriage is to establish an appropriate family environment in which children will be conceived and raised, and that as such there is no place for same-sex relationships in marriage. This view conflicts with the fact that different-sex couples who choose not to have children, or who form relationships in non-childbearing years, are still entitled to marry or re-marry.” No it doesn’t. Why should we risk one child in the name of social engineering? The fact is that many people will use their marriage certificate to get children.

You also say: “Further, and very importantly, it discounts the substantial number of children who are currently being raised in a same-sex couple family.” So essentially, two wrongs make a right?

What rubbish. I’m aware that lesbian couples are already experimenting on children with their anti-father models. Again, Obama and co. are right. We don’t need to legalise weirdness.
Posted by History Buff, Tuesday, 5 October 2010 5:43:53 PM
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@ History Buff

In 2003, the Canadian Psychological Association (CPA) issued its response to public debate about the effect of marriage of same-sex couples on children. CPA’s review of the psychological research led us to conclude that the children of same-sex parents do not differ from the children of heterosexual parents in terms of their psychosocial development, their gender development and their gender identity. In 2005, the CPA voiced its support to the House of Commons of Bill C-38, legislation legalizing marriage of same-sex couples. Weblink to evidence: http://www.cpa.ca/cpasite/userfiles/Documents/Marriage%20of%20Same-Sex%20Couples%20Position%20Statement%20-%20October%202006%20(1).pdf

The American Academy of Pediatrics recognizes that a considerable body of professional literature provides evidence that children with parents who are homosexual can have the same advantages and the same expectations for health, adjustment, and development as can children whose parents are heterosexual. Weblink to evidence: http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;109/2/339

In the 2000 U.S.A Census, 33 percent of female same-sex couple households and 22 percent of male same-sex couple households reported at least one child under eighteen living in their home. Some children do not know they have an LGBT parent; coming out issues vary and some parents may never come out to their children. In January 2008, the European Court of Human Rights ruled that same-sex couples have the right to adopt a child. In the U.S., LGBT people can legally adopt in all USA states.

I suggest you check out gay dads australia website, I suspect its going to be a real eye opener for you, Here's the weblink: http://gaydadsaustralia.com.au/
Posted by jason84, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 4:28:22 AM
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In October 2007, the Administrative Appeals Tribunal overturned a decision by the foreign affairs department refusing to issue a transgender woman a passport listing her as female because she is married to a woman. The tribunal ordered that she be issued a passport listing her as female, in accordance with her other official documents, thereby recognising the existence of a marriage between two persons who are legally recognised as female. Web: http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-5661.html
Posted by jason84, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 4:50:12 AM
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History Buff, on 30 September you wrote:

> > As Timothy J. Dailey reminds us: 
> > “The eminent Harvard sociologist, 
> > Pitirim Sorokin, analyzed cultures 
> > spanning several thousand years on
> >  several continents, and found that
> >  virtually no society has ceased to 
> > regulate sexuality within marriage as 
> > traditionally defined, and survived.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=11019#184660

In an article on the Australian Conservative website, on 3 October, Ben-Peter Terpstra wrote:

> > Timothy J. Dailey, Senior Fellow for
> >  Policy at the Family Research Council, 
> > reminds us that: “The eminent 
> > Harvard sociologist, Pitirim Sorokin, 
> > analyzed cultures spanning several 
> > thousand years on several continents, 
> > and found that virtually no society
> > has ceased to regulate sexuality within 
> > marriage as traditionally defined, 
> > and survived.”

http://australianconservative.com/2010/10/the-greens-more-same-sex-marriages-less-freedom/

If you are Ben-Peter Terpstra, maybe you could tell me why I shouldn't find it extremely creepy that you are commenting anonymously on your own article. If you're not, maybe you could explain the "coincidence". 
Posted by woulfe, Wednesday, 6 October 2010 3:55:48 PM
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