Come on you lot, stop trying to hide the ugly truth.

You all know it's the only way most of them are even going to meet a virgin, in this life or the next, let alone touch one.

Arjay says:
<<<People seem to forget that the Taliban had stopped the production of heroine in Afghanistan in 2000 hence there was a drug drought.Now under the auspices of the Us Govt produces 90% of the world's heroine.>>>

Arjay seems to have swallowed the urban myth ( something he has a propensity to do ) that the Taliban were /are anti-Heroin crusaders --other sources indicate otherwise:

“We are growing more poppy this year than ever before,” said Hamidullah, a farmer in Musa Qala. “The Taleban tell us ‘as long as we are here, no one can destroy your poppy’. The government cannot come here now, because there is another power here. It is the government of the Taleban.” “I am growing poppy, and now I am happy,”
http://iwpr.net/report-news/living-under-taleban

--“But Taleban do not deny that they are supportive of the crop. And there is growing evidence that it is Taleban forces who are the most actively engaged in battling eradication efforts.”
http://iwpr.net/report-news/helmand-heads-record-poppy-harvest

"The Baz Mohammad Organization was closely aligned with the Taliban in Afghanistan, and allegedly provided financial support to the Taliban in Afghanistan. In exchange for this support, the Taliban provided the Baz Mohammad Organization with protection for its opium crops, heroin laboratories, drug-transportation routes, and members and associates. From 1994 through 2000, ESSA and his co-conspirators collected heroin proceeds in the United States for the Taliban."
http://thesop.org/story/law/2007/05/12/dea-arrest-of-taliban-linked-afghan-heroin-trafficker.php

And this is an account of their activities in their heyday:
“By the end of 200, al-Qaeda contributed around 30 percent to 40 percent of the Taliban’s core military forces. Al-Qaida’s investments, including bi Laden’s personal venture in the transregional trafficking of goods and NARCOTICS , created a lucrative network that increasing investment by other Arab princes and personalities, including some Pakistani military officers , regional politicians and businesses.”
[ Neamatollah Nojumi –The Rise and Fall of the Taliban –p113]

Still, I guess that : [if] “ you don't have the intellectual capacity,or have other agendas”
It makes some sense to follow along the well beaten path of an urban myth.

All fanatics blow themselves up one way or another, it is only when they are with one of their own kind, that they are in company who thinks they are sane, otherwise their companies would wish they would go and blow themselves up.

Well, I can see all the thinkers are out…out of town!!

What constitutes a suicide bomber? The disenfranchised. That does NOT mean the uneducated, but in contrast, the educated that includes university students, professionals AND some of the uneducated also.

What does disenfranchised mean? Look it up!

How did America resolve the suicide bombings of Lebanon when America occupied Lebanon in the 1970’s? They pulled-out of Lebanon and the suicide bombings miraculously stopped. Do ya thunk if America pulled-out of Iraq and Afghanistan the suicide bombings against Westerners would stop? Good chance!

Do ya thunk that “sovereignty” might be the altruistic issue sold to the disenfranchised in a Third World stone–age society when they are invaded by the technologically advanced West? Could be.

Do ya thunk suicide bombing would be a viable form or retaliation living in a Third World country invaded by the technologically advanced West? Do ya thunk it might be marginally more effective than throwing rocks at tanks? Could be!

You may return to sleep Einsteins.

Wake-up to the BS you are being spoon-fed, and gobbling-up like it's your last meal! America and us ARE the aggressors in this conflict, not the other way around.

Or, let me put it this way...what possible benefit could a stone-age country get, with no infrastructure or capacity to mount and move an army, from attacking a country like America?!? What? We're attacking the dumbest people on Earth?!? Sorry, but it's the other way around...the dumbest people on Earth believe a Third World country attacked them. And why do they believe that? Because we all watch TV and saw 9/11 from 50 camera angles. And despite all the evidence to the contrary, believe that a plane hit the Pentagon, despite there being NO wreckage, NO aluminium from the "plane", NO jet engines, and a round hole, that turned into a square hole after 30 minutes, and more of the building exterior collapsed.

If we were having a conversation about how visually oriented we are, we would be discussing all of the misinterpretations of events seen. But not with 9/11.

Most of us are aware of the reasons behind terrorism. It is retaliation for real and perceived wrongs and dishonest foreign and economic policy.

Most of us are also aware of the culpability of the West in creating the conditions that lead to disenfranchisement and possible terrorist reprisals. The West has to take responsibility as well and not wrap their motives up in patriotic altruism.

The view from both sides is wrong.

Arjay,

I love a good conspiracy theory as much as the next bloke but

<Who could possible believe the outrageous conpiracy theory that 19 hi-jackers could beat the most powerful military machine on the planet,and plant explosives in all 3 buildings weeks before without anyone knowing. No that is a ridiculus conspiracy theory.>

Arjay, who could possibly believe the outrageous conspiracy theory that ANYBODY could plant explosives in all 3 buildings [250 floors @ one tonne per floor = 250 tonnes = 25 truckloads; + let's say 100 handlers, drivers, placement experts over a couple of months] without any of the 24/7 employees or security staff noticing ?

And WHY wire up the third building, if no plane was going to crash into it - how to explain that in your world ?

If it was the CIA, do you mean that Colin Powell orchestrated it all ? Including the missile up Rumsfeld's @rse into the Pentagon ?

So how many people are we talking about who would have been involved in:

* organising the planes that hit the twin towers,

* and the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania,

* and procuring the missile that was fired into the Pentagon ?

And nobody spills the beans ? This is the Americans we're talking about, remember.

Sorry, I don't have that much respect for the competence of the CIA, which would have trouble raffling a chook in a Bankstown pub.

Arjay, the world is not made up just of puppets and a hierarchy of puppet-masters. There ARE people out here who can think for themselves, for good and for evil as well: all manner of groups have their own idiosyncratic agendas.

Yes, I have talked with my regular Jehovah's Witness visitor who tells me that the greatest trick of Satan is to convince people that he doesn't exist, so please don't go down that path all over again. Join the real world, warts and all, incompetents and all, weird personal and group agendas and all.

Mind you, I still think it was the Swedes.