The National Forum   Donate   Your Account   On Line Opinion   Forum   Blogs   Polling   About   
The Forum - On Line Opinion's article discussion area



Syndicate
RSS/XML


RSS 2.0

Main Articles General

Sign In      Register

The Forum > Article Comments > What Gillard's Government can do on cultural diversity > Comments

What Gillard's Government can do on cultural diversity : Comments

By Andrew Jakubowicz, published 15/9/2010

Multiculturalism is a whole-of-government issue. We need measured debate about policy objectives, priorities and programs.

  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. Page 4
  6. All
Jay of Melbourne

I live in terror of giving birth to a dark skinned baby because I am 6th generation Australian - who knows what my ancestors got up to during the early pioneering of this great land.

Should I have myself sterilised just in case? My partner is of Spanish ancestry and rather dark, although I am very fair and blued-eyed I may not produce a pure white baby.

What do you suggest I do? I could leave my current partner and find someone with Anglo-Saxon ancestry, but I cannot be sure of my own - I could be part Aboriginal, Torres-Strait Islander, or even Middle Eastern from when the Afghanis brought camels out to Australia during the white colonisation - for all I know.

I bring this post to your attention, because it is quite possible there are no pure white people left on this planet at all, given all the exploration, settlement and travell - there may be no pure races of people left anywhere.

A lady I knew at work who was from India showed me a photo of her grandchild, I was expecting to see a little brown baby, instead the kid had red hair, pale skin and green eyes. You can imagine my surprise.

Thank you for your time considering my post.
Posted by Severin, Friday, 17 September 2010 2:14:09 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
My father was a migrant , he expected nothing and was thankful for what minimal support was given but ultimately he worked his way up in a number of jobs until he married, then turning to study and a trade skill which set him up for the rest of his life.

Too much money is spent on the window dressing of multiculturalism with various government funded Councils, Associations and other centres for cultural diversity. What can a government do, it seems no matter how much money is spent, there will be someone asking for more on what is really a social responsibility.

Governments are about providing services, they should not be in the business of promulgating a big Australia to suit the agenda of the business or cultural lobby groups or the citizenship interests of international students.

Australia has been multicultural since the 50s and steadily growing. We don't need more government instigated programs except to provide good social services to all Australians in the normal process of program and policy making inclusive of migrants.

The biggest problem does not pertain to race but goes much deeper to religious differences and other cultural divisions. There is no paranoia in relation to de-radicalisation of young men - it is a sad fact that there are some in Australia who are not always possessed of the same interest in a secular and equal opportunity society, particularly if you add a sense of not belonging.

The big question is how to be more inclusive and how can this be achieved? I don't think throwing more money on window dressing policy or social engineering is going to add much more. Programs like job creation and education/skills creation programs for youth are the way to go IMO. Much of these problems will diminish over time with later generations, but in the meantime mutual respect will go a long way. Respect cannot be bought via government programs it will only come at the personal and community level.
Posted by pelican, Friday, 17 September 2010 3:04:12 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
@ Severin.
Why would you ask me those silly questions about purity unless you have doubts about your choices and identity?

I've never heard of an Indigenous person saying,"I'm not sure if I'm really Aboriginal".
If you're denying your race it's probably because you're trying to hide something or because you're ashamed for some reason.
People don't deny or hide things they value or are proud of.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Friday, 17 September 2010 3:06:38 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
Jay of Melbourne

Don't you have any doubts?

Wouldn't a person of mixed racial heritage wonder where they fit - especially if they are treated as second class people by either race?

Therefore, if I have a child of mixed Spanish and Anglo 'race' maybe that child will be bullied at school by children of White Nationalists? Isn't that a bad thing to happen to a child or anyone?

You have written at length of the demise of the white race. This is strange given the white race had its origins in Africa when, thousands of years ago, people who travelled to Europe and beyond have African genealogy? Biological Anthropologists have determined by studying DNA know that we all share the same genes and that skin colour evolved as a result of the climate in which people lived.

Culture is a construct generally perceived as: "The system of shared beliefs, values, customs, behaviours, and artifacts that the members of society use to cope with their world and with one another, and that are transmitted from generation to generation through learning."

For example, if you are born in Afganistan you will likely follow Islam as your religion and listen to Afghani music, wear Afghani style clothes.

Eskimos, adapt their culture to fit the environment in which they live and their culture includes the sharing of wives, which given that sleeping together for warmth is just good sense, indicates how this practice evolved.

It is a great shame of humans to alienate other people purely for their skin colour and culture, don't you think?
Posted by Severin, Saturday, 18 September 2010 12:30:00 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
@Severin.
Why are you arguing with me about race if you believe it's a social construct, you don't need any evidence to prove that position ,you just have to sit and say NO NO NO! to everything anyone else says.
So you're presumably not aware that the earliest "Black" human remains date to only around 7,000 B.C., and that Africa's oldest "Black" civilisation, Kerma dates to only 3000 B.C.
Whereas they're unearthing complex civilisations, 12,000 year old buildings in Anatolia, which, given that the Turks didn't arrive until 600AD and the Black Africans didn't exist must have been built by...horrors..White people.
Now you tell me, on balance is it more likely that those ancient ruins were built by Whites. Given that nobody disputes that the ancient Iranians/Aryans of that region were White, that the later Caucasian Empires were White, that Neolithic Europeans were White.
If you watch even the most dumbed down TV program, such as the recent "Human Journey" they say that White people are not just faded Black people, that the melanin Vitamin D theory is just speculation.
In that program they say it's not known where exactly White people came from but that there was a migration westwards from central Russia beginning about 25,000 years ago.
I can't understand why a White woman would subscribe to an Afrocentric version of history, it makes no sense for you to believe that you're "Mixed Race", it's a cop out and ties in to the discussion I had with Rainier about White Privilege being reliant on denial of Whiteness.
You're not white by accident, for more than 25,000 years your ancestors have chosen mates of the same race because they valued Whiteness,you are the result of careful planning and selective breeding on their part not random "genetics".
If anything is a social construct it's your point of view.
Posted by Jay Of Melbourne, Saturday, 18 September 2010 4:46:56 PM
Find out more about this user Recommend this comment for deletion Return to top of page Return to Forum Main Page Copy comment URL to clipboard
  1. Pages:
  2. 1
  3. 2
  4. 3
  5. Page 4
  6. All

About Us :: Search :: Discuss :: Feedback :: Legals :: Privacy