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The Quran burning: a sign of things to come : Comments

By Muqtedar Khan, published 10/9/2010

Muslims must be patient and let Terry Jones enjoy the monopoly on barbarity as he burns the Holy Quran.

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Dear Dr Muqtedar Khan,

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The fratricidal family feud continues. It has been going on now for two thousand years and is far from abating. What is it that justifies that the members of the same family of religious belief continue to tear each other apart ?

Muslims, Christians and Jews all worship the same God but are incapable of living together peacefully on the same planet.

Not one of them can be deemed truly worthy of his God.

As you clearly identify yourself with Islam, I must say I do, however, find it positive that despite the considerable amount of harm caused to Islam by Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda over the past decade, it is to your credit that not a single fatwa has been pronouced against any of them.

A death penalty similar to that directed against your fellow Muslim, Ahmed Salman Rushdie, by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, for the publication of his novel "The Satanic Verses" in 1988, could only exacerbate existing tensions within the Islamic community and result in further bloodshed.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Saturday, 11 September 2010 8:22:16 AM
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Foxy,

The fact is that, Muqtedar Khan's preposterous interpretation of the US constitution notwithstanding, Terry Jones would be doing NOTHING ILLEGAL in burning copies of the koran. If he were doing something illegal there would be no difficulty. The relevant law enforcement agency would simply tell him to cease and desist on pain of imprisonment.

Let me repeat that in a different way. Terry Jones & Co would simply be burning their own property. There is nothing illegal about that.

If you doubt me consider the case of Texas vs Johnson. The US Supreme Court stated that laws banning the desecration of the US flag were unconstitutional. You are allowed to burn the flag in the US. The language of the decision is such that it would apply equally to bibles, koran's crucifixes, etc. In the US BURNING A SYMBOL IS PART OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION GUARANTEED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT.

In the US just about the only speech that is prohibited is incitement to violence. However incitement is narrowly defined. The speech must contain "fighting words" as in "kill dem ….."

According to two lawyers I consulted the situation is not much different in Australia outside Victoria. If I announced my intention of barbequing a koran in my backyard in the presence of invited guests there is not much anyone could do about it.

In Victoria the so-called Racial & Religious Tolerance act MAY make such an act illegal. However, judging by the words of the High Court in the Nalliah-Scott case such a prosecution may not stand up to a legal challenge.

In the end the only laws that may stop me burning my own property are smoke and fire safety regulations. However that would not stop me doing to a koran what Serrano claims he did to a crucifix – immerse it in a yellow fluid of my own manufacture and photograph it. I could even place the photograph on the internet.

So the question is, Foxy, do you want the US and Australia to change their laws to protect religion?
Posted by stevenlmeyer, Saturday, 11 September 2010 8:27:01 AM
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Grateful religion has nothing to do with spirituality or belief in God.It is about having power over othe people.The Zionists just got rid of the middle man we call god and went for money and power.Both the Zionists and a section of the Muslim faith want to control the planet.

The whole war on terror is a lie.The Muslims did not do 911.There is now absolute scientfic proof that explosives brought down all 3 large buildings on that day.see http://ae911truth.org/

http://patriotsquestion911.com/ There are now;
400+ medical professionals
1200+ Architects and Engineers
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400+ professors
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Who all question the events of 911 and are asking for a new independant investigation.
Posted by Arjay, Saturday, 11 September 2010 8:45:42 AM
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"I am amazed at how millions of Americans who are decent and honourable can watch this happen."

Well, I am amazed the millions of Muslims care so little about the vile things they do, the hate and discrimination practiced in all countries where islam dominates and the evils that are found in the Quran.

Here we have a Muslim, a man that says "Praise be unto him" after the name of Mohammad, telling us how bad we are. Well, in case the writer doesn't know, Mohammad attacked non-Muslims dozens of times, he looted, murdered, lied, tortured, enslaved men wome and children and children and let his men rape captives - well that is what Islam's traditions (hadith) say.

Speaking of barbarity, isn't Allah the god that likes to burn the skin off unbelievers (Q4:56) and then it on again so he can repeat the torture?

Mr. Khan says the Quran explicitly forbids such acts against non-Muslims. Actually it doesn't, much to the contrary (Notice that he doesn't give any reference). There are hundreds of verses demonizing non-Muslims in the quran. Allah makes it very clear that unbelievers are lower than animals and deserve the vilest punishment. Perhaps that explains why in 50 some Islam dominated countries, 50 some discriminate against and persecute non-muslims, and even other Muslims.

Khan can't even quote the Quran correctly . There is no "gods" in verse 6:108. It simply says "those they call upon". Even so, the Quran has no problem saying the Christians commit blasphemy (Q5.17) because of the concept of trinity (Q5:73). That is insulting but Muslims don't care.

The fact is that Muslim values are not those of the west. They don't believe in freedom of speech and religion, equality, human rights and separation of religion and state. The mass immigration of Muslims to the West has been, is, and will be a disaster.

Radical Muslims kill, moderates make excuses and blame others.

Kactuz
Posted by kactuz, Saturday, 11 September 2010 9:27:43 AM
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@ grateful

There are two approaches to the text of the Quran-

(1)There is no evidence that the personal god of the Quran even exists,it's simply the ramblings of desert nomads,so what's the point of reading it? Your sacred book means nothing to this infidel.

(2)I'll leave the textual analysis of the Quran to the experts,many report it as a collection of contradictory nonsense,a record of the depradations of a desert bandit and his followers and of course, vicious anti-semitism.(No,I don't have a pro-Zionist agenda).

As to 'ganging up on Moslems',most Moslems in the West are allowed to practise their religion,contrast this with the treatment of Jews,Hindus and Christians in Moslem majority countries.No society is completely tolerant of 'difference',however, which would you prefer to be,say, a Coptic Christian in Egypt or a Moslem in Australia? Where are the churches in Mecca(or synagogues)? There are mosques in Rome.So you'll understand if I don't express much sympathy for the poor 'persecuted' Moslems in the West.

The problem with many Moslems in the West is that they can't adjust to the liberal democratic doctrine that Islam is simply 'just another religion'. Moslems can object as much as they like,however legitimate 'objections' don't include rioting and murder.
Posted by mac, Saturday, 11 September 2010 9:27:55 AM
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Well said Coombs and Banjo Patterson

Here is yet more evidence to support the fact that the Koran is like all the others before and after, it has a history, and therefore could not be the immutable word of anyone other than the manipulative imaginations of the ignorant.

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/the-political-violence-of-the-bible-and-the-koran/

...of which arjay above would be a pefect example

He is nuts.
Posted by bigmal, Saturday, 11 September 2010 9:28:17 AM
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