We've established that heterosexual couples are the primary cause of gay children.

I take silence as agreement.

The next issue is that of straight adoptive parents - I understand from Warwick's article and the comments of other posters that biological parents, particularly biological fathers are the best hope for any child. Apparently being a biological father immediately confers the attributes of a saint bringing happy children into the world who may or may not be heterosexual - having already established that homosexuals are the progeny of straight couples.

Perhaps the best solution is to hasten the research and development into the artificial womb where real men can place their sperm with eggs taken only from good women, thus ensuring paternity and total responsibility for the raising of children. This will probably reduce the number of gays born because we all know that 'defects' are the fault of biological mothers, after all no red-blooded man produces gay kids. Do they?

Thanks for the opportunity to discuss such important and vexing issues, perhaps now we can move onto providing housing, food and education for the children of third world countries, I hear Pakistan is having a really bad time of it.

gpenglas -
Your argument that refusing gays the right to adopt will reduce the level of child abuse takes as its premise that gay men are the primary perpetrators of child sexual abuse.

Child abuse statistics will demonstrate to you that this is not the case, and that children are predominantly sexually abused in heterosexual environments.

There are plenty of women with children who have many boyfriends passing through their homes, often to the detriment of their children. Short lived relationships are not specific to gay men.

Apart from all that, there are many children who do not know or do not have either or both biological parents, for all kinds of reasons. Are you willing to tell them that because they've been so careless as to lose one or both biological parent, they don't have and can't have rights like other children have?

Are you willing to tell children currently fostered by gay couples, or the biological child of one member of a gay relationship, that they can't have any legal rights like all other children, because they aren't with both their biological parents and the people who love them and nurture them are the same sex?

Because if you are not prepared to do that, if you are not prepared to face these children and tell them these things, then maybe you should just walk away and let these children have the love and legal rights they deserve as much as anyone else.

Fathers are optional. Freedom. Eventually the state will make mothers optional too. Buy some ear plugs because the shrill will be deafening when that happens. Or change the channel and crack another brew.

Johnny Rotten <"This will probably reduce the number of gays born because we all know that 'defects' are the fault of biological mothers, after all no red-blooded man produces gay kids. Do they?"

Lol Mr. Rotten! The Sex Pistols would be proud of you!

Those words bring to mind my best friend who married a very religious man who enjoyed making gay jokes for years.
They eventually had a son, for whom I am Godmother.

This beautiful boy was quite effeminate in manner, from a very early age. He far preferred the company of girls throughout his schooling, and had problems making friends with boys.

Recently he 'came out' to his parents, admitting he was gay.
His mother was sad at the difficult life she saw ahead for him, but accepted and loved him as before.

His father was profoundly shocked and will not discuss it with his son.
His father doesn't tell gay jokes anymore though.

Briar Rose gives the usual dogmas to support her position

'Child abuse statistics will demonstrate to you that this is not the case, and that children are predominantly sexually abused in heterosexual environments. '

Next she will have us believe that most Priests who have molested boys are heterosexual. Obviously more children are abused in heterosexual relationships because of the overwhelming number of normal relationships. As for the rate of abuse I doubt whether you will get much truth from those who want to deny kids the rights to a mum and dad.

Runner you write: "Obviously more children are abused in heterosexual relationships because of the overwhelming number of normal relationships."

So heterosexual relationships in which children are sexually abused are "normal" relationships?

Normal for who, Runner? Not the kids, that's for sure. Not the adults either if they need to sexually abuse the kids to get their gratifications.

As for the priests, they sexually abuse male and female children.

You don't find a whole lot of heterosexual child abusers admitting to it, either, or do you think that because they're hetero they're more honest about how they sexually abuse children?