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Is a negotiated peace between the Greens and the Christians possible? : Comments

By Tim Wallace, published 20/8/2010

The latest exchange of fire between Cardinal Pell and Greens leader, Bob Brown, is a skirmish in a war without any foreseeable end.

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Of course it's possible for the Greens and Christianity (or any other religion for that matter) to coexist - otherwise there wouldn't be so many Christian Greens members and supporters.

However, it's difficult to imagine lunar Right ideologues like Pell and Jim Wallace, or outright nutters like Bill Muehlenberg or Danny Nalliah, tolerating anybody or anything that doesn't conform to their extreme interpretations of Christianity.

Mind you, it is kind of comforting that the denizens of Christianity's lunatic fringe are so threatened by the Greens - indeed, it reinforces our status as the third force in contemporary mainstream Australian politics :)
Posted by CJ Morgan, Friday, 20 August 2010 12:41:04 PM
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Excellent article accept for the begging of an enormously big question.

-Tens of billions given as grants for AGW research: (find something we can use)
-Virtually no review, except by volunteers (Watts Up With That) of the 'scientific' conclusions.
-Large scale ClimateGate fraud needed a whistleblower to uncover a whitewash of an investigation followed.
-Huge sums of money are being asked for by central bureaucracy, large corporations are dizzy at the thought of carbon trading.
-The whole thing reeks to high heaven.

I don't think the author has done the work to get both sides of the story. All you hear in the MSM is climate this or that, no mention of their lust for moral cache as planet saviours, no mention of the global gravy train.Just a pat on the head by our betters and hand over the cash to keep you safe.

All the author needs to do is give both sides proper scrutiny then he'll discover the massive distortion in the public discourse, and come to the conclusion that again we find ourselves in the grip of a secular mania.

"The history of the West is a story of the state absorbing every useful institution into itself" DB Hart

I call for a seperation of science and state.
Posted by Martin Ibn Warriq, Friday, 20 August 2010 4:49:30 PM
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Foyle

'runner
Take a look at the depletion of the oil field reserves of the USA. The USA peak oil was in about 1973 and current recovery is down to 30% or less of that peak.'

I was around in the 1970's when the oil was predicted to be totally gone by the turn of the century. You might be able to fool the naive with scaremongering. Anyway with plenty of uranium in the ground in this blessed nation the supposed decline in oil should not concern any thinking person not blinded by Green dogm
Posted by runner, Friday, 20 August 2010 5:52:41 PM
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runner, what is "dogm".

On the ABC news tonight a Scientist (Chris Sharples) talked about how houses at Roches Beach may be lost sooner than expected as sand banks are being eroded by an increase in sea levels created by Climate Change. Graphic pictures were displayed showing roots of trees exposed by erosion.
I have lately noticed a register that has listed species of fish that are now found in Tasmanian waters due to warmer currents travelling South from Mainland Austraia.
Posted by ant, Friday, 20 August 2010 8:58:29 PM
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Is a negotiated peace between the Greens and the Christians possible?

Only IF and WHEN the Church's relearn the meaning of "inclusive" engagement and the real meaning of the spirit of love.

For example, there are many stories of the church in history. Here is one about Altmann of Passau. 'In 1074 he announced the reforms of Pope Gregory VII, whom he supported in the subsequent Investiture Controversy. In 1076 neither he nor Archbishop Gebhard of Salzburg took part in the Reichstag of Worms and, also like Gebhard, Altmann supported the counter-king Rudolf of Swabia. Altmann of Passau was driven from Passau by supporters of Emperor Henry IV, who in 1077/1078 laid the town waste.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altmann_of_Passau

For me this example is similar to what is going on today. Be it the events of St Mary's Church in Brisbane, the Popes stance alienating the masses or anything that is occuring in Australia. It is disturbing.

Those of the Church need to demand "reforms", else lose more ground in area's it hopes to gain due to the waste.

The Church could learn from the Greens as they could from the flock excluded now on the outer in St Marys Brisbane.

http://www.miacat.com/
Posted by miacat, Saturday, 21 August 2010 1:09:00 AM
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Let's not get too cute with this. If Brown and Pell want to get it on what would that have to do with their views.

Atheism and Catholocism are incompatible, as these two people are also.

Never the Twain shall meet. Pell is a blind fool and Brown is a zealot.
Posted by RobbyH, Saturday, 21 August 2010 8:38:30 AM
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